CHANGING THE WAY OUR STATE GOVERNMENT OPERATES, FROM EXPANDING VOTER ACCESS AND IMPOSING TERM LIMITS FOR LEGISLATORS TO OVERHAULING CAMPAIGN FUNDRAISING, NUMEROUS PROPOSALS HAVE BEEN FLOATED.

BUT WITH THE CLOCK WINDING DOWN ON THIS YEAR'S LEGISLATIVE SESSION, WHICH MEASURES HAVE A CHANCE OF BECOMING LAW, AND WHICH ONES HAVE ALREADY FALLEN FLAT?

TONIGHT'S LIVE BROADCAST AND LIVE STREAM OF INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAII START NOW.

♪ ♪ >>DARYL: ALOHA AND WELCOME TO INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAII.

I'M DARYL HUFF.

IN THE WAKE OF MULTIPLE SCANDALS INVOLVING LOCAL LEADERS, THE PUSH FOR SO-CALLED CLEAN GOVERNMENT HERE IN HAWAII CONTINUES AT THE LEGISLATURE.

TONIGHT WE'RE LOOKING AT WHERE HAWAII'S GOVERNMENT REFORM BILLS STAND.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR PARTICIPATION IN TONIGHT'S SHOW.

YOU CAN EMAIL OR CALL IN YOUR QUESTIONS, AND YOU'LL FIND A LIVE STREAM OF THIS PROGRAM AT PBSHAWAII.ORG AND THE PBS HAWAII YOUTUBE PAGE.

NOW, TO OUR GUESTS.

CAMRON HURT IS THE PROGRAM DIRECTOR AT COMMON CAUSE HAWAII, A NON-PARTISAN ORGANIZATION THAT AIMS TO CURB THE EXCESS INFLUENCE OF MONEY IN POLITICS AND PROMOTE FAIR AND HONEST ELECTIONS.

COLIN MOORE IS A PUBLIC POLICY ANALYST AND THE DIRECTOR OF THE MATSUNAGA INSTITUTE FOR PEACE AS WELL AS AN ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR WITH UHERO, THE UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII ECONOMIC RESEARCH ORGANIZATION.

JUDITH MILLS WONG IS THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS OF HAWAII.

IT'S A NONPARTISAN ORGANIZATION WORKING TO PROTECT AND EXPAND VOTING RIGHTS AND ENSURE EVERYONE IS REPRESENTED IN OUR DEMOCRACY.

ROBERT HARRIS IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE STATE ETHICS COMMISSION.

IN 2022, HE CO-CHAIRED THE COMMISSION TO IMPROVE STANDARDS OF CONDUCT, WHICH WAS STARTED AFTER TWO STATE LAWMAKERS WERE INDICTED IN A BRIBERY SCANDAL.

LET'S START WITH YOU ROBERT HARRIS.

WHAT HAS HAPPENED?

WHAT PROGRESS HAVE WE MADE SINCE THOSE BIG SCANDALS AND SCANDALS INCLUDED THINGS LIKE IT'S ABUSE HOUR BY THE KEALOHA AND KANESHIRO CASE.

A LOT GOING ON WHEN THE FEDS SHOWED UP.

WHAT KIND OF PROGRESS HAVE WE MADE SINCE THEN.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

LET ME START WITH THE PREMISE THERE'S PROBABLY NO VIRTUAL BULLET TO OWE ERADICATING CORRUPTION IN GOVERNMENT.

SILVER BULLET THRG GOING TO BE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION I THINK ON HAVE WE.

NET A LOT DOA LOT OR ANYTHING AT ALL?

I WOULD BE FOR THE MIND SET THAT QUITE A BIT HAS HAPPENED THAT IS RE POSITIVE.

STEPS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

MORE NEED TO BE DONE?

ABSOLUTELY.

SO AS A RESULT OF SCANEL DAS, THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, CREATED A COMMISSION TO IMPROVE STANDARDS OF CONDUCT WHICH WE JUST CALLED THE FULLY COMMISSION AND HONOR OF DAN FOLEY WHO WAS THE CHAIR I WAS THE VICE CHAIR AND IT WAS TERRIFIC COLLECTION OF INDIVIDUALS SERVED ON THIS COMMISSION.

APPROXIMATELY 30 RECOMMENDATIONS CAME OUT OF THAT.

MAJORITY OF THOSE HAVE NOW SINCE BEEN PASSED.

>>Daryl: CAN YOU GIVE ME EXAMPLE OF COUPLE THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED, MIGHT ACTUALLY MAKE IMPACT?

>> SURE.

WELL, ONE EXAMPLE, WE MANDATED ETHICS EDUCATION FOR ALL STATE EMPLOYEES AND FOR ALL LOBBYISTS.

AND WE JUST HIT 90% OF A STATE EMPLOYEES ROUGHLY HAD A 45,000 STATE EMPLOYEES HAVE NOW GONE THROUGH ETHICS TRAINING WITH NO ADDITIONAL COST TO THE STATE.

SO AGAIN, EDUCATION ALL ALWAYS A GOOD STARTED.

YOU HAVE TO BEGIN AND SO I THINK IT'S ONE CONCRETE THING WE CAN POINT TO AND SAY POSITIVE IMPROVEMENTS HAPPENING THERE.

SEEN INCREASE, REDEFINED DEFINITION OF FRAUD AND BRIBERY WITH THE INTENT MAKE SURE STATE IS ABLE TO PROSECUTE THOSE TYPE OF SITUATIONS IN THE FIEWMPLET INCREASED, FUTURE.

INCREASED CRIMINAL CAPACITY AT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OFFICE TO BE ABLE TO GO AFTER THESE TYPES OF THINGS IN THE FUTURE.

>>Daryl: CAMRON HURT COMMON CAUSE.

HAVE YOU SEEN PROGRESS IN LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS?

>> I THINK SEEN MARGINAL PROGRESS.

THERE HAS BEEN DONE WOULD BE FACETIOUS.

SO I THINK THAT LEADERSHIP, LET'S TAKE JUST EVEN THIS YEAR.

LEADERSHIP TAKING ON HOUSE TO GRAPPLE WITH HOUSE RULES.

THAT WAS A CHANGE.

DID IT GO ANYWHERE SIGNIFICANT?

MATTER OF OPINION.

THAT IS A CHANGE FROM WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN AT.

SO I WOULD GIVE THEM THAT ONE.

>>Daryl: COLIN MOORE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M AWARE THAT CHANGED IS THAT WITHIN THE PROCESSES OF LEGISLATURE, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE VIDEO, MORE ON VIDEO, PAPERWORK SEEMS TO FLOWING BETTER.

GOT CONSENT RULES BETWEEN COMMITTEES NOW.

DO YOU FEEL LIKE THERE'S BEEN PROGRESS AT LEAST AMONG LAWMAKERS TALKING AMONG THEMSELVES?

>> I THINK ABSOLUTELY.

AND I THINK FACT THAT NOW THERE'S A NEW SPEAKER.

FORM SPEAKER SCOTT SAIKI REASONABLY OPEN TO SOME OF THAT I THINK ALSO THE PUBLIC IS A LITTLE MORE AWARE OF HOW THESE INTERNAL HOUSE RULES ARE LEGISLATIVE RULES AFFECT THE PROGRESS OF LEGISLATION.

BUT THE POINT YOU MADE ABOUT VIDEO, REALLY INTERESTING ONE.

I MEAN, THAT WAS SORT OF A WOULD CALL IT A FROOB I.

NOT REALLY SOMETHING THAT I THINK PEOPLE THOUGHT OF AS ETHICS CHANGE FREEBIE, CAME ABOUT THROUGH COVID BECAUSE LEGISLATURE NEEDED TO CONDUCT HEARINGS AND SO THEY DECIDED, STARTED VIDEOING THEM ON YOUTUBE AND THAT OPENED UP ALL SORTS OFABILITY POS FOR PUBLIC OVERSIGHT.

POSSIBILITIES EASIER FOR THE PUBLIC TO PARTICIPATE ZOOM IN AND TESTIFY BEFORE YOU HAD GO DOWN TO THE CAPITAL AND WAIT FOREVER.

OTHER THING I AND I THINK PARTICULARLY HELPED JOURNALISTS, SO YOU COULD GO GO BACK TO THE TAPE.

WATCHING FOOTBALL GAME.

WHAT THIS THEY SAY HERE?

REWATCH IT.

WASN'T EXACTLY A THOUGHT OF ETHICS REFORM IT DID HAD A LOT OF I AM P IMPLICATIONS TRANSPAR.

>>Daryl: 50% OF MY JOB NOW.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE YOUR OFFICERS.

>>Daryl: AT MY DECKS DESK WHAT PERCEPTION P PERCEIVED CHANGES SINCE THE BIG SCANDALS WOKE EVERYBODY UP.

>> WELL I THINK, HONESTLY, I WOULD SAY IT'S BEEN LIKE A STEP WISE PROCESS.

IT FOLEY COMMISSION HAD SOME REALLY GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEY HAVE BEEN KIND OF GRADUALLY BEING PUT IN PLACE.

EVEN NOW.

THERE'S STILL SOME THAT ARE WORK THEIR WAY HOPEFULLY TO THE END GATE.

AND SOME OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES IN TERMS OF THE PROCEDURE INTERN PROCEDURES, NOT ALL OF THEM MADE IT.

BUT IDEA THAT IT STARTED.

I WOULD SAY MORE LIKE WE'RE ON A STEP WAY PROCESS.

AND WE'RE MAKING SOME HEADWAY.

CAN YOU MAKE RULES.

STILL HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED.

PEOPLE HAVE TO BUY INTO THE FACT THAT THE RULES ARE WORTH FOLLOWING IN ORDER FOR TO TURN AROUND ATMOSPHERE OF GETTING AWAY WITH THINGS.

>>Daryl: ONE THING OCCURRED TO ME, QUESTION, AND I'LL JUST THROW THIS OUT, LET ME START WITH ROBERT AGAIN.

HAVE TO DO WE HAVE A LOT OF CORRUPTION?

OR IS IT JUST OCCASIONAL BAD APPLE, WHAT DO YOU THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CORRUPT.

IS THAT TRUE.

>> >> I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT 98% OF ALL STATE EMPLOYEES REALLY ARE THERE BECAUSE THEY CARE, PASSIONATE ABOUT IT, I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY 1% EMPLOYEES THAT PUSH THE ENVELOPE WHAT IS PERMITTED.

MIGHT HAVE 1% BAD APPLES.

YOU REALLY HIT THE HEART OF IT.

WHICH IS THE PERCEPTION AND THE CONFIDENCE AND PUBLIC GOVERNMENT THAT IS REALLY CRITICAL TO ADDRESS.

AND TO MAKE MEANINGFUL STEPS TO ADDRESS THAT.

BECAUSE BEGIN, DEMOCRACY WORKS WHEN YOU HAVE CONFIDENCE ELECTED LEADERS ARE THERE TO SERVE THE PUBLIC AND NOT THEMSELVES.

AND SO I DO BELIEVE IT'S CRITICAL TO MAKE MEANINGFUL REFORMS.

AND TO CHANGE CULTURE.

IN A WAY WHERE YOU REALLY SEE THOSE DEMONSTRABLES.

YOU SAW RECOMMENDATIONS COMING OUT OF THE FOLEY COMMISSION WEREN'T DIRECTLY RELATED IN ANY WAY TO AT THAT PARTICULAR CORRUPTION.

BUT THINGS TRANS I TRANSPARENCYE SUBMIT TESTIMONY.

VISIBLE.

THOSE TYPE OF THINGS INEXTENDED TO INSTILL CONFIDENCE.

WHAT OUR JOB IS DO.

>>Daryl: PARTICULARLY LONG TIME RESIDENT, AND SIMILAR CLOSE TO MY AGE.

HAVE YOU NOTICED THINGS GETTING BETTER OVER TIME?

OVER GENERATIONS, SAY, FROM HAWAII?

WE HAVE SCANDALS A BIG SCANDALS 40, 50 YEARS AGO.

AND NOW, GOT THESE LITTLE.

>> WATCHING THE TIDE COME NO.

SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE MUCH AND THEN ALSO, IT'S A LOT.

I GUESS THE THING THAT I'VE SEEN CONSISTENTLY IT IS THINK THERE'S STILL A PROBLEM WITH CONTRACTORS.

AND ROBERT CAN SPEAK TO IT BUT THERE IS IMPORTANT BILL GOING THROUGH THIS TIME TO HELP KIND OF ADDRESS THAT.

BUT I THINK THAT IF YOU COMPARE US TO OTHER STATES AND OTHER JURISDICTIONS, I DON'T THINK WE ARE A WASH IN CORRUPTION.

BUT WE COULD BE BETTER.

>>Daryl: YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THAT.

YOU HAVE LIVED IN OTHER STATES.

LIVED IN OTHER STATE IS NOT EXACTLY KNOWN FOR MOST HONEST GOVERNMENT.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>>Daryl: LOUISIANA.

>> TENNESSEE.

>>Daryl: DO YOU FEEL LIKE THIS IS A CORRUPT STATE?

>> MY EXPERIENCE COMES FROM LIVING BETWEEN INDIANA, TENNESSEE AND ALABAMAMENT RESPECTIVELY.

I WOULD DISAGREE WITH EVERYBODY.

OR PEOPLE SPOKEN AT THIS TABLE I DO THEORY THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CORRUPTION HERE.

MAY NOT BE MALL IP TINT.

MALL I.

>>Daryl: WHAT IS THE FORM ACRES LOT UNDISCIPLINED ACT TORTS DO THINGS AND THE CUT CERTAIN CORNER IS NOT REALLYING ACTUAL RULE @LAW.

MEET WITH SOMEBODY FOR A LUNCH, AND NOT REPORT PAID FOR MY WHOLE LUNCH LIKE I'M ASKING YOU GUYS ETHICS COMMISSION FORM OF CORRUPTION.

>> YES.

>> THAT HAPPENS ALL ALL TIME HE.

>>Daryl: GOOD OLD BOY HERE.

>> BETTER PEOPLE INVENTED IT IN TEEN SEE.

REMARK BE.

COMING FROM THE PEOPLE INVENTED TO SEEING PERFECTED OUT, IN THE FORM OF THAT I THINK YOU PRIME YOURSELF FOR CORRUPTION TOO WHEN YOU GIVE ALL OF YOUR POWER TO ONE PERSON OR TO ONE ENTITY.

AND THEN YOU OPEN UP OKAY, IS THERE ANY ACQU QUID PRO QUO GOIG ON THERE, MAKES EVEN MORE OF A LOOK IN DEPTH TO NOTTEN STATE LOCAL.

LOCAL COUNTIES TOO.

>>Daryl: START BRINGING PROCUREMENT INTO IT, TALK ABOUT THAT.

I WOULD LIKE YOUR PERSPECTIVE.

AS A PROFESSOR IN THIS FIELD.

HOW WOULD YOU RATE HAWAII IT IN TERMS OF CORRUPTION, DIFFERENT KIND OF CORRUPTION?

AS CAMERON IS SAYING.

>> I THINK WE'RE ABOUT BELOW ARRANGE.

MORE CORRUPT THAN THE MEDIAN STATE.

BELOW AVERAGE.

DEPENDS WHAT YOU MEAN BY CORRUPTION.

I THINK PEOPLE HAVE A SENSE THAT CORRUPTION MEANINGS STUFFING BAGS OF CASH UNDER YOUR CAR SEAT.

FLOOR.

THAT DID HAPPEN HERE.

NOT USUALLY HOW THIS WORKS.

USUALLY MUCH SOFTER FORM.

WHERE IT'S ABOUT ACCESS.

>>Daryl: IN OR OUT.

>> YOU'RE IN OR OUT.

IS KILLING THIS BILL BECAUSE I'VE EXPRESSED SOME DOWNTOWNS DN DOUBTS TO YOU ADD YEAHER MY CLASSMATE BACK IT IN THE DAY.

CORRUPTION OR ADVICE?

ENTER INTO A GRAY AREA EAR.

HERE.

HAWAII TWO OTHER THINGS MIGHT CONTRIBUTE TO, REALLY COZY ATMOSPHERE VERY SMALL STATE.

NEARLY MOST GOVERNMENT WORK HAPPENS RIGHT HERE IN HONOLULU.

MOST PEOPLE KNOW EACH OTHER.

AND SO IT'S NOT LIKE CALIFORNIA WHERE YOU'RE UNLIKELY TO HAVE THESE REPEAT INTERACTIONS.

I THINK THAT MEANS THAT FIRST, IT'S EASY TO MAKE THOSE CONNECTIONS.

BECAUSE YOU KNOW PEOPLE.

SECOND, EXTREMELY COSTLY HERE TO CALL PEOPLE OUT.

IN OTHER WORDS, TO ACCUSE SOMEONE ACTING IN A CORRUPT KWAY BURN YOUR CONNECTIONS FROM HERE ON OUT.

AND THE OTHER THING IS WE'RE EFFECTIVELY ONE PARTY STATE.

SO WE DON'T HAVE A STRONG OPPOSITION PARTY.

I THINK PERFORMING THAT WATCHDOG ROLE.

REALLY JUST JOURNALISTS AND DEMOCRACY PARTY DOESN'T HAVE MUCH INCENTIVE AIR THEIR DIRTY LAUNDRY IN PUBLIC.

DON'T HAVE THE ADDITIONAL CHECK.

>>Daryl: TALK ABOUT THIS YEAR'S SESSION AND BILL THAT IS ARE COMING UP AND WHAT MIGHT MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

WE JUST TALKED QUITE A BIT ABOUT CONTRACTORS.

I KNOW THAT YOU PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN ONE PARTICULAR BILL.

CAN YOU DESCRIBE THAT FOR US AND SEE TELEPHONE TESTIFIER US - TELL US HOW THAT'S DOING.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT LOBBYING FOR QUICK SECOND.

JUST TO DEFINE WHAT IT IS.

WHEN SOMEONE PAID.

>>Daryl: ETHIC COMMISSION REGULARREGULATE LOBBYISTS, CORR.

STATE LEVEL.

NO SUCH THING AS BAD OR GOOD LOBBYING.

LOBBY SOMETHING A FUNCTION OF GOVERNMENT.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPECIALIZED KNOWLEDGE WHO ARE GOING TO COME AND SPEAK ON BILLS.

SO GENERALLY, HERE IN HAWAII, THE DEFINITION OF L LOBBYISTS SOMEONE PAID TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF SOMEONE ELSE.

AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF NONPROFITS AND OTHERS REGISTERED AS LOBBYISTS JUST REPRESENTING THE PUBLIC POINT OF VIEW.

AND YOU HAVE WHAT WE MIGHT CLASSICALLY THINK OF LOBBYIST SOMEBODY REPRESENTING LARGE CORPORATIONS FOR LARGE SUMS OF MONEY.

SO AGAIN, LOBBYING HAPPENS.

MOST OF OUR LAWS ARE REALLY INTEND TO CREATE TRANSPARENCY.

SO BOTH LEGISLATORS AND GENERAL PUBLIC CAN SEE AND KNOW ABOUT IT.

ALL OF THE LAWS IN HAWAII, HAWAII IS ON THE FOREFRONT OF THE ESTABLISHING LOBBYING LAWS 1970 SORT OF BEEN STALK STUCK THERE AND HE HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF, ADAPTATION OVER TIME.

AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS I REALLY PROUD OF IS A BILL THAT IS MOVING THROUGH, WHICH IS BASICALLY SAYING IF YOU ARE APPROACHING HIGH LEVEL GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL, ON THE EXECUTIVE SIDE, OR ANY GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL, ON THE EXECUTIVE SIDE IN PARTICULAR.

PUSHING FOR A CONTRACT, PUSHING TO SELL YOUR PRODUCT, PUSHING TO BUILDING SOMETHING, AND YOU MEET DEFINITION LOBBYIST, YOU'RE PAID, ON BEHALF MEET A CERTAIN TIME THRESHOLD.

REGISTER L LOBBYIST AND HAVE TRATRANSPARENCY BILLIONS SPENT N CONTRACTS YOU EVER YEAR.

DECENTRALIZED SYSTEM.

JUST A WIDE RANGE OF DEPARTMENTS ANDY VISIONS OVERSEEING SPENDING PUBLIC MONEY.

IDEA WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TRARNS TRANSPARENCY AROUD THAT.

ALARMING AND CONCERNING.

THIS YOU BILL IMPORTANT.

>>Daryl: SPECIFIC POINT OF VIEW.

IF I WAS BUSINESS PERSON HAD A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, AND I WANT TO INFLUENCE A PROJECT GETTING BUILT, I'M PRETTY SURE I CAN GET, I GO TO STATE, DEPARTMENT OF ACCOUNTING GENERAL SERVICES, HOW WOULD I HAVE TO REPORT THAT?

WHAT KINDS OF THINGS WOULD YOU BE PREVENTED FROM DOING THAT MIGHT BE DOING NOW.

>> SO I'M TRYING TO AVOID GET TOO MUCH INTO THE WEEDS.

IF YOU ARE APPROACHING DIRECTOR OF THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR, HIGH LEVEL PEOPLE REALLY HAVE THE ABILITY INFLIEWNLS OR THE GOVERNOR EVEN, INFLUENCE.

I WANT TO BUILD A BRIDGE HERE.

>>Daryl: APPOINTEES.

>> APPOINTEES, DEFINED LIST.

KIND OF WHAT WE CONSIDER THE HIGH PROFILE DECISION MAKERS.

INCLUDING BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TOO.

AND REALLY ADVOCATING HEY, I HAVE A GREAT TECHNOLOGY, YOU SHOULD BUY MY PRODUCT OR BUILD THIS HERE AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO THEN REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST.

REPORT IT.

SOME RESTRICTIONS THAT COME WITH THAT AS WELL.

LOBBYISTS AREN'T ALLOWED TO BUY GIFTS FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO TALK TO FOR EXAMPLE.

>>Daryl: CAN'T BUY THEM LUNCH.

>> NOT EVEN A LEI.

YOU CAN BUY A LEI.

AS LONG AS IT'S NOT A MONEY LEI.

>>Daryl: DOLLAR ONE.

NOT TOO BAD.

PLEASE, OTHER FOLKS, WHAT OTHER BILLS DO YOU GUYS WANT TO TALK ABOUT?

>> I THINK CONTRACTOR BILL IS A FINE PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT IS TAKING A CONCRETE STEP TOWARDS CORRUPTION.

FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT ROBERT LAID OUT AND MORE.

NAME OF THE GAMES IF YOU ARE GOING TO ATTACK AVENUE, WANT TO GO THROUGH CORPORATE SPENDING AS BEST YOU CAN AND MAKE SURE THAT ANYBODY TAKING A CONTRACT IS HAVING PUT THAT UP FRONT.

BECAUSE I MEAN, NAME OF THE GAMES TO MAKE MONEY HERE.

BEING SUPERVISOR A GUY CENTRALIZED STATE MAKES IT EASY.

THAT WOULD HELP WITH WHAT I SAID IN THE FIRST QUESTION, A LITTLE BIT UNDISCIPLINED TIGHTENING THAT UP.

THAT'S GREAT.

THEN THE PARTIAL PUBLIC FINANCING BILL, STILL ALIVE.

>>Daryl: DESCRIBE THAT.

>> SO WHAT THIS ONE IS DOING TAKE OUR CURRENT PARTIAL FUNDING WHICH IS CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED.

>>Daryl: BACK BACK TO BEGINNING.

WHAT IS PARTIAL FUNDING?

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.

>> FINANCING.

SAY SOMEBODY WANTS TO RUNMENT CAN THEY GO TO THE STATE AND GET ANY TYPE OF FINANCIAL HELP TO RUN.

THE IDEA BEHIND THIS IS THAT IT WOULDN'T BE ELITE ISSUE SHOW.

IN ORDER TO RUN.

ELITEISH SHOW.

COMMON PERSON MAY NOT BE MOST WEALTHY CAN RUN COM COMPETITIVE RACE WE HAVE SOME TYPE OF SYSTEM.

NOT SOMETHING NEW.

RANDOMLY THOUGHT OF.

>>Daryl: WE HAVE A SYSTEM NOT GENEROUS.

>> NOT COMPETITIVE BECAUSE PRICE HAVEN'T CHANGED SINCE 1995.

TENNESSEE GAS UNDER A DOLLAR.

WITH THAT.

>>Daryl: TENNESSEE.

>> RIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS HERE.

DOUBT IT WAS FIVE DOLLARS LIKE IT IS NOW.

LOOK AT RANDOM JUST INFLATION BETWEEN NOW AND FROM 2025 TO BACK TO 1995, LOOK AT PROGRESSION OF THE WEALTH OF DOLLAR, IT'S NOT COMPETITIVE ANY MORE.

IT NEEDS TO UPDATED AND HASN'T BEEN.

LEGISLATURES ARE TAKING THIS ON.

>>Daryl: VERY INTERESTED IN ELECTIONS.

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT?

>> AS LONG AS FOR GENERATIONS, WELL, MAYBE JUST DECADES, BEEN PUSHING FOR FULL PUBLIC FINANCING AND WE WOULD LOVE TO GET FULL PUBLIC FINANCING BILL DIED IN TERM AS IT DID SEVERAL TERMS BEFORE IT.

BUT.

>>Daryl: WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PARTIAL AND FULL PUBLIC FINANCING OTHER THAN THE WORDS PARTIAL AND FULL.

>> THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE.

IT WOULD GIVE CANDIDATES ENOUGH MONEY THAT ALL OF THE CANDIDATES COULD IN FACT JUST USE THAT FINANCING AND BE NOT HAVE TO SEEK FINANCING FROM CONTRACTORS FROM PACKS, YES.

ONE OF THE WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A SITUATION WHERE PEOPLE OWE THEIR A ALLEGIANCE TO THEIR CONSTITUENTS AND NOT TO THE CONTRIBUTORS.

SO LEAGUE WOULD LIKE FULL PUBLIC FINANCING THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES.

WE'RE NOT GETTING THAT ANY TIME SOON.

BUT WITHOUT THAT, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE PARTIAL PUBLIC FINANCING REACH A LEVEL WHERE IT IS ALLOWS PEOPLE TO RUN FOR OFFICE WHO MIGHT NOT OTHERWISE BE ABLE TO RUN FOR OFFICERS.

PEOPLE HAVE BEEN IN OFFICE HAVE A LONG TIME HAVE BIG WAR CHESTS AND LOTS AND LOTS OF SUPPORTERS WHO ARE WILLING TO FUND THEIR CAMPAIGN.

BUT YOUNG PERSON WHO IS JUST GETTING INTO POLITICS, WANT TO CHANGED SYSTEM, OR WANTS TO BRING FRESH BLOOD TO THE SYSTEM, THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THOSE RESOURCES.

>>Daryl: TALKING ABOUT HOW WE DIDN'T REALLY STRONG TWO-PARTY SYSTEM.

YOU IF HAD SYSTEM, YOU COULD ACTUALLY HAVE CANDIDATES CHALLENGING EACH OR.

AS OPPOSED TO INCUMBENT WHO NO ONE RUNS FOR THAT SEAT UNTIL THAT PERSONS RETIRES OR LEAVES.

>> W WH WHAT WE SEE STATES.

MOST ROBUST SYSTEM FOR CAMPAIGN.

FEW DIFFERENT MODELS.

LOOKS LIKE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GO FORWARDING I THINK IT ALREADY FAILED IS THE MOST ROBUST FORM WHICH WAS DEBATE OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WHERE YOU BASICALLY GET A BIG GRANT FROM THE STATE.

REACH A THRESHOLD GET MONEY FROM THE STATE TO CARRY ON THE REST OF YOUR CAMPAIGN.

HOW IT WORKS IN MAINE AND CONNECTICUT AND ARIZONA.

OTHER MODEL WHICH CALL NEW YORK MODEL, IS MULTIPLIER.

REALLY AGGRESSIVE MULTIPLIER.

RAISE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY.

AND THEN THE STATE WILL MATCH THAT TIMES 8 FOR EXAMPLE.

>>Daryl: OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS WHY SHOULD TAXPAYORS PAY.

>> EXACTLY.

OFTEN OBJECTION FROM TAXPAYORS.

FROM EL ELECT OFFICIALS DEMOCRAS THINK IT'S GOING TO HELP REPUBLICANS.

A LOT WHAT THEY MIGHT TERM FRINGE CANDIDATES.

PEOPLE WHO AREN'T SERIOUS CANDIDATES REPRESENT VERY SMALL SEGMENT OF THE DISTRICT, THEN HAVING ALL OF THIS MONEY TO RUN AND THEY MIGHT ARGUE THAT THAT IS A WASTE OF PUBLIC DOLLARS.

>> I'VE HEARD THAT SO MUCH.

AND IT KIND GRINDS MY GEARS.

IT'S BASED IN FEELING NOT ACTUAL LODGE IBLG.

FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU'RE AFRAID OF REPUBLICAN IN COMING COME AGT YOU A I'M SORRY WE'VE GO COMPETE.

PEOPLE WILLING TO COMPETE FOR A DEMOCRACY CAN'T BE HAND TO YOU.

>>Daryl: I NEED TO GET SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS.

LETTING THEM PILE UP.

TRYING TO SEE IF THERE'S A PATTERN DEVELOPING BUT THERE'S QUITE A FEW EMAIL AND CALLS.

SOME OF THEM ARE ABOUT WHY THINGS ALWAYS DIE.

AND THERE'S ONE SUBMITTED GOOD GOVERNMENT BILLS, REFERRED TO FINANCE COMMITTEES AND THEN NOT HEARD.

ESPECIALLY IN THE HOUSE.

BILLS THAT DIDN'T SPEND ANY MONEY.

BAY CAN WE DO ABOUT THAT?

AND THEN COMMITTEE CHAIRS HAVE TOO MUCH POWER.

DECISION IS NOT IS A HEARING ON A BILL SHOULD BE MADE ON RECORD BY COMMITTEE VOTE.

WHY IS IT SO DIFFICULT TO PASS LAWS ABOUT LAWMAKERS CAN FUNDRAISE.

WHO CAN DONATE AND WHEN.

NO-BRAINERS.

WHAT IS THE RATIONAL BEHIND RESISTANT?

ERIC IN KAILUA, EMAIL AND VIEWER EMAIL.

LET'S TALK SOME MORE ABOUT CAMPAIGN FINANCE.

JUST STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT.

ROBERT, ETHICS IS DIFFERENT RATING OR SCHEME FOR CAMPAIGN SPENDING.

ARE WE GETTING BETTER AT REGULATING CAMPAIGNS SPENDING?

THINGS THAT ARE PENDING THAT WOULD CONTROL THAT?

>> SO TO BE CLEAR, I DO REPRESENT STATE ETHICS COMMISSION.

SEPARATE CAMPAIGN SPENDING COMMISSION.

ONE EXAMPLE THAT I THINK POSITIVE IMPROVEMENT IS THAT WE HAVE NOW PROHIBITED LOBBYISTS FROM MAKING CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS DURING SESSION.

DURING ENTIRE SESSION.

FIREFIGHTER DAYS BEFORE AND FIVE DAYS AFTER.

AS WELL.

FIVE DAYS BEFORE AND AFTER.

WHICH I THINK IS PRETTY GOOD STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

LLOBBYISTS BY NATURE PAID BY SPECIAL INTERESTS TO ADVANCE BILLS OR IDEAS BASICALLY SAY YOU CAN'T BE GIVING MONEY AT THE SAME TIME.

TRYING TO BREAK THAT PART.

PEOPLE WILL STILL SAY, GIVE MONEY ELSEWHERE.

OTHER TOMBS Y OTHER TIMES YES.

ABSOLUTELYMENT NEED BETTER REFORM IN ADDITION WE DO HAVE A BILL THAT IS QUITE IMPORTANT.

WHICH WOULD RESTRICT NOT ONLY CONTRACTORS, FROM MAKING CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS, BUT THEIR IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBERS AS WELL.

WHICH I THINK IS A SIGNIFICANT BILL.

I THINK THERE IS A NEW YORK TIMES REPORT WHICH SHOWED THAT ROUGHLY THINK 1//5 POLITICAL CONTRIBUTION IT COMING FROM VERY SMALL DISCREET GROUP OF GOVERNMENT CONTRACTORS FUNDAMENTALLY DEFINITION OF PAY TO PLAY.

I THINK THAT BILL PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT BILL THIS SESSION.

RIGHT NOW.

>>Daryl: I THINK -- TOINL OF THESE QUESTIONS -- TONE OF DWHEES G QUESTIONS LAWMAKERS PROTECTING THEMSELVES.

IS THERE A WAY TO OVERCOME THAT?

BOTHERS YOU IN PARTICULAR.

IS THERE A WAY TO OVERCOME THAT?

>> THERE IS.

>>Daryl: GOT ALL THE CLOUT AND ALL RULES.

>> SEVERAL WAYS.

DON'T GET ME WRONG.

VERY PROUD OF THE STEPS THAT OUR LAWMAKERS HAVE TAKEN.

HOWEVER, I CAN'T GIVE YOU A THREE YEAR LONG PARADE FOR TAKING SMALLEST OF STEPS.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE WAS SUBMIT IT TO THEM AT LEAST FOUR TIMES BECAUSE I WAS ON EVERY SUBMITTAL BETWEEN THIS STALLEDSPEAKER AND SPEAKER LAST SESSION.

STOP HAVING BILLS NO FINANCIAL APPROPRIATION GO TO FIN TO DIE.

HOW IS IT THAT I CAN, WATCH A BILL GET A POSITIVE VOTE FROM 25 LAWMAKERS, GET ALL THE WAY TO FINANCES AND KYLE I YAMASHITA NOT HEAR A SINGLE BILL.

WHAT IS HE GRIM REAPER EVERY GOOD GOVERNMENT BILL WE HAVE?

TIME AND TIME AGAIN COMING TO LEADERSHIP, COMING TO CAUCUS MEMBERS AND SAYING, PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING AND THEY ACKNOWLEDGE IT'S A PROBLEM.

NOTHING IS BEING DONE.

>>Daryl: IS THERE A WAY OF CHANGING SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

>> VIEWERS QUESTION IS INTERESTING ONE.

BECAUSE UNLIKE A LOT OF POLICY BILL, IT'S NOT CLEAR WHO REALLY IS AGAINST THE REFORM BILLS.

NOT LIKE THERE'S OFTEN ORGANIZED CONSTITUENCY WHO ARE TESTIFYING AGAINST THESE BILLS.

REALLY DOES COME FROM THE LEGISLATORS THEMSELVES FOR THE MOST PART THINK THEY'RE CUMBERSOME.

I THINK MOST LEGISLATORS AND THEY ARE, ARE HONEST AND I THINK MANY CASES FIND THAT THESE BILLS WILL SLOW DOWN THE SYSTEM.

I HEARD LOTS OF LEGISLATORS SAY, THIS IS JUST ALL ABOUT PROCESS.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING MY CONSTITUENTS REALLY CARE ABOUT.

THEY CARE ABOUT RESULTS.

AND I THINK THAT THERE SEA PERCEPTION THERE'S KIND OF SMALL GROUP OF GOOD GOVERNMENT SCOLDS OUT THERE WHO BRING THIS UP BUT IT'S NOT THE SORT OF THING THAT REALLY WANT SPEND THEIR TIME ON.

WANT TO DELIVER TROWTION.

GIVING YOU THE CONGRESS IRVEL VERSION OF WHAT LEGISLATOR MIGHT, THINK THERE IS NOT SOMETHING WORTH SUPPORTING IT.

THEY JUST WANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

OTHER IMPORTANT CURRENT SYSTEM WORKS FOR THEM.

FOR ANYONE WONDERS WHY COMMITTEE CHAIRS HAVE SO MUCH POWER.

LEGISLATURE STRUCTURE WAY IT IS, LEGISLATORS WANT IT THAT WAY.

ASSISYSTEM MAJORITY FIND AGREEABLE.

MIGHT NOT BE SOMETHING THAT THE PUBLIC VIEWS AT AS AGREEABLE, IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT, YOU'VE GOT TO CALL YOUR LEGISLATOR AND TELL THEM THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT TO YOU.

YOU WANT TO SEE THE RULES CHANGE.

YOU WANT COMMITTEE CHAIRS TO HAVE FOR EXAMPLE, A LESS POWER.

BECAUSE I THINK FOR MOST LEGISLATORS, DON'T DON'T THINK THIS IS A VOTING ISSUE AND FRANKLY, THEY'RE OFTEN RIGHT.

>>Daryl: YOU WATCHED LEGISLATOR.

WHAT DO YOU THINK THE PROBLEM IS?

WAY THAT THEY JUST FUNNEL EVERYTHING THROUGH JUST A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE?

>> I THINK COLIN HAS EXPLAINED IT PRETTY WELL.

WE AGREE THAT THINGS SHOULD NOT GO TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE IF THERE IS NO EXAMPLE PENT TOUR INVOLVED.

EXPAND TOUR INVOLVED.

BURDENSOME TO EXPENDITURE TO INVOLVED.

BURDENSOME TO FUNNEL EVERYTHING INTO THE B BOTTLENECK, EVEN IF THERE'S NO INTENTIONAL, PROBLEM THERE, IT'S JUST JAMS EVERYTHING UP.

IF YOU RECALL, END OF LAST SESSION, NOTHING COULD GET DONE BECAUSE THERE WAS JUST NO TIME LEFT TO DO IT.

SO WE DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY THAT IS STILL IN PLACE.

BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SUGGESTED AND VOICED THAT THAT RULE CHANGES.

IN TERMS- >>Daryl: LEADERSHIP THAT REFERS BILLS.

>> YES.

BUT THAT, AT LEAST NOT CLEAR TO ME HOW THAT IS OBJECT IS VERSUSLY HELPFUL TO OBVIOUSLY HELPFULEL FOR THE LEADERSHIP THEMSELVES.

ISSUE MUCH CHAIRS, BEING ABLE TO CONTROL, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WOULD WANT TO KEEP THAT.

THERE'S, IT GOES TO THEIR ABILITY TO CONTROL THE WHAT THEY WANT TO PASS AND WHAT THEY DON'T WANT TO PASS.

IN TERMS OF JUST BOTTLENECKING EVERYTHING INTO THE TWO FINANCE COMMITTEES, DOESN'T SEEM TO BE USEFUL AT ALL.

>>Daryl:EL JOHN FROM ANIMAL MAGIC SANDSASKS.

NEPOTISM STAPLE OF HAWAII.

BREEDS CORRUPTION.

DIDN'T THEY DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.

>> YES.

ONE OF THE FOLEY COMMISSION BILLS RECOMMENDED.

STATE HAS NOW BANNED NEPOTISM FOR FUNCTIONALLY.

I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO MUCH WEEDS, FUNCTIONALLY EVERY LEVEL.

AND PARTICULARLY FOR THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH.

THERE IS NOW A PUBLIC GOOD CAUSE EXCEPTION BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME CIRCUMSTANCES LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, TRYING TO FIND A TEACHER ON A NEIGHBOR ISLAND IN A RURAL AREA, THERE MAY NOT BE ANY OTHER CANDIDATE.

SO WE CREATED A PUBLIC GOOD CAUSE CONCEPTION.

PUBLIC CAN SEE WHY THAT EXCEPTION BEEN GRANTED.

>>Daryl: HOW DO YOU DEFINE NEPOTISM IN THE LAW?

WHAT IS THE DEGREE OF RELATIVITY THAT GETS YOU INTO A NEPOTISM.

>> I MEAN, THAT'S MY COUSIN.

>> IT IS 2 DEGREES OF KOSNGUIT Y.

CLEARLY DEFINED WHO IS AND WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECTER ARE.

INCLUDES HANAI RELATIVES AS WELL.

DEFINED AND WE HAVE HAD I THINK NOW APPROXIMATELY 15 GOOD CAUSE EXCEPTIONS.

I MEAN, IDEA IS YOU ARE DEFINITELY SEEN PEOPLE BEING AWARE OF THE FACT THAT NEPOTISM IS PROHIBITED.

NOT ALLOWED TO SUPERVISE, HIRE, NUMBER OF DIFFERENT EXTENSIONS.

POINT OF CONTROVERSY LEGISLATURE BASICALLY SAID WE WANT TO OVERSEE OURSELVES.

SO THEY PASSED RULES PROHIBITING KNEEL NEPOTISM.

SENATE HAS THEM.

HOUSE PASSED RULES FOR THEY STHECH THEMSELVES.

SELF-GORAN THEM GOVERN THEMSELV.

>>Daryl: WIDESPREAD PROBLEM?

>> THIS IS SOMETHING WE ETHICS COMMISSION FOUGHT FOR.

I JUST WANT TO STRESS WE GOT COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME.

AND WHEN HE DUG INTO IT, WE REALLY FOUND CORRUPTIONTY FACT THAT SOMEBODY WOULD SEE IT THINK IT'S A PROBLEM GOES TO THAT CONFIDENCE IN GOVERNMENT.

WE WANT TO CREATE A BRIGHT LINE RULE SAYING THIS IS PROHIBITED AND IF THERE SITUATIONS WHERE IT'S NEEDED IT'S GOING TO BE PUBLIC WHY THERE IS EXCEPTION GRANTED.

>> A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE STATE EASTB END UP WORKING WHERE THEIR PARENTS MAY HAVE.

TALK A STEP BACK FROM IT.

TO ROBERT'S POINT, WE DO HAVE ACTUALLY REALLY GOOD NEAP TIF -- NEPOTISM LAWS.

LAST TWO YEARS.

COMMON CAUSE STRONG, OLD TRADITION IN POLITICS.

HIRE YOUR REELTIES TO WORK IN YOUR OFFICE.

THAT'S WHO YOU TRUST AND FAMOUSLY HAIRY TRUMAN IN THE SENATE.

LOTS OF MEMBERS CONGRESS IN DC USED TO DO THIS BACK IN THE DAY.

I MEAN, I'M GLAD THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS CHANGED.

THANKS TO ROBERT'S WORK.

>>Daryl: SO JUST GOOD BLANGIARDI BLANKET QUESTION.

WANTED TO MAKE ONE DISTINCTION.

GOOD BLANKET QUESTION.

OFTEN LUMP TOGETHER IN OUR HEADS LAWMAKERS AND PEOPLE WOULD WORK FOR GOVERNMENT.

NEPOTISM YOU MENTIONED TEACHER.

IN A SCHOOL.

I CAN'T IMAGINE WE WOULD BE SURPRISED TO HAVE MOM OR A DAD PRINCIPAL OF THE SCHOOL AND DAUGHTER OR SON IS A TEACHER IN SCHOOL.

MUST HAPPEN FAIRLY OFTEN AND SO BUT THAT'S REALLY THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH.

AS OPPOSED TO LAWMAKERS WHICH IS DIFFERENT SORT OF WORLD.

I WANTED TO, THIS IS KANDICE WRITES ARE THE PENALTIES FOR VIOLATING THE ALULI RU RULES O LAWS STIFF ENOUGH?

WHY DON'T YOU TAKE THAT ONE ON.

REALLY AFRAID OF GETTING CAUGHT?

, I THINK THIS IS WAKEUP 2DAY O POSITIVE REFORMS ONE OF THE POSITIVE REFORMS MADE AFTER THE FOLEY ECON COMMISSION.

MY SENSE IS THAT MORE RESOURCES TO INVESTIGATE THE FINES AND PENALTIES ARE MUCH HIGHER.

THERE'S ANOTHER BILL WHICH MAY BE ROBERT CAN EXPLAIN.

ALLOW YOU TO ACT MORE QUICKLY FOR RELATIVELY SMALL FINES.

ISN'T THAT RIGHT.

>> >> YES.

SO THE ETHICS COMMISSION, FOLEY COMMISSION RECOMMENDED STRONGLY CRIMINAL SIDE.

CRIMINAL SIDE HAS MUCH MORE ROBUST FOLLOWERS FEDERAL QUITE A BIT.

AND RULES ON CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR.

CAN ISSUE $5,000 FINES PER VIOLATION.

SO THERE IS A AGAIN, MOST OF OVER CASES ARE ALL VERY PUBLIC.

OUR CASE ISSUED $350,000 FINE RECENTLY GIVE YOU I'D ARRA IDEA OFSCOPE.

HOW BIG FINES.

>>Daryl: WHO IS THAT?

>> WELL PU PUBLICIZE THE CASE OF ATHLETIC DIRECTOR.

SO.

>>Daryl: THAT WAS MONEY THAT WAS BASED ON AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT HE TOOK?

>> SO EACH TRANSACTION.

EACH CHECK ET CETERA.

COULD BE A VIOLATION.

SO IT CAN BE SIGNIFICANT AND MORE SO, I WOULD STRESS BEING FOUND VIOLATED ETHICS CODE PARTICULARLY FOR STATE EMPLOYEE.

IS HAS PRETTY BAD RAMIFICATION.

HAD PEOPLE EMAILED US LATER AND SAID, I CAN'T GET ANY JOBS NOW BECAUSE EVERYONE CAN GOOGLE ME.

FIND THAT I V VIOLATED ETHICS CODE.

POINT BEING THAT IT IS A HARSH PENALTY ONE THAT WE EXERCISE THE PART OF OUR JOB.

>>Daryl: LET ME COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT CAMPAIGN SPENDING.

INCREASE NUMBER OF REPORTING DEADLINES FOR CAMPAIGN FUNDRAISING AND SPENDING?

IS THAT EVEN NECESSARY?

QUESTION KIND OF ANSWERS ITSELF.

FROM SOMEONE NAMED BILL.

NOT SURE FORM C CAME IF.

STRUCK ME CAMPAIGN SPENDING DEADLINES, CREATE SITUATION WHERE EVERYBODY IS FILING AT THE SAME TIME.

YOU DON'T KNOW WHETHER SOMEONE GOTTEN CONTRIBUTION FOR A WHILE.

AFTER IT HAPPENS.

DO YOU THINK THAT WE CAN DO BETTER WITH CAMPAIGN SPENDING?

REPORTING?

AND DEADLINES SO ON?

>> I THINK WE COULD DO BETTER.

I ALSO THINK THAT CAMPAIGN SSPEFNSMESPENDING COMMISSION ATG TO DO BETTER.

THIS SESSION THEY WILL PICK UP A COUPLE MORE STAFF I BELIEVE.

AND IT'S GOING TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE MORE ON TOP OF THINGS.

AND SO YES.

>> I THINK WE COULD ABOUT BETTER AND I THINK THEY'RE AWARE OF THAT AND WORKING ON ONON THAT.

>>Daryl: HOW IS DARK MONEY OPERATING, COLIN, DO ANY REFORM BILLS COVER DARK MONEY?

DARK MONEY BROAD DEFINITION.

BUT IN HAWAII.

>> ARE WE ANY BETTER THAN?

BASICALLY MONEY COMING FROM PEOPLE WE DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE.

RUNNING CAMPAIGNS.

WITH NO NAI NO NA NAIL NAMES O.

>> BILL STILL ALIVE CONSIDERS DARK MONEY.

I'M NOT AWARE THERE IS.

SEEN PLENTY OF EXAMPLE OF THIS MONEY FROM SuperPAC NOT EXACTLY SURE WHERE THE ORIGINS THAT MONEY WERE.

SAW THIS MOST FAMOUSLY CONGRESSIONAL CAMPAIGN FEW YEARS AGO.

WITH JILL TOE TOKUDA HER OPPONET DARK MONEY PACT LEARNED PRETTY WELL FUNDED BY THE CRYPTO CURRENCY INDUSTRY TO RUN A LOT OF ADS.

IT WASN'T CLEAR WHERE THE MONEY COMING FROM.

WASN'T LOCAL MONEY.

I THINK THAT IS WHEN PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT DARK MONEY TENDS TO BE WEST OAHU WHRA* WHAT THEY NEED.DEFER TO ROBERT S ATTORNEY.

UNDERSTANDS THE LEGAL REDISCOVERING HAWAII'S SOULS BETTER THAN -- LEGAL RULES BETTER THAN I DO.

VERY DIFFICULT TO REGULATE.

BECBOTS BECAUSE OF THE SUPREME COURT O RULING AND CITIZENS UNITED.

ACTUALLY GOING TO MAYBE THROW TO CAMP R RON TOO BILL THAT WAS LOOKING AT RES RESTRICTING FOREN CONTRIBUTION.

INTERACTIVE CONFERENCE WHAT KIND OF R RAMIFICATION THAE SEEN NATIONAL LEVEL.

>>Daryl: FOREIGN CONTRIBUTIONS ARE ILLEGAL.

>> NO, SIR.

DEFINITION FOREIGN WOULD BE NONHAWAII CORPORATIONS.

>>Daryl: NONHAWAII.

YOU CAN MAKE, LIKE BUT I THINK PRISON TAKING MONEY FROM HIS FATHER.

>> CERTAIN THRESHOLD.

SO FIRST OF ALL, CORPORATIONS.

A CORPORATION THAT IS MAYBE 8% FOREIGNFOREIGN OWNED.

UNDER FEDERAL LAW THEY CAN STILL GIVE STILL MAJORITY OWNED WH RED WHITE AND BUT AMERICAN.

P AFTER FOLLOWING LEAD OF DIFFERENT POD BODIES INCLUDING SAN DIEGO, WE WANT TO MAKE IT TO WHERE, WE DON'T WANT YOU IF YOU HAVE A CERTAIN STAKE THAT IS FOREIGN OWNED, WE DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD GIVING MONEY IN OUR ELECTION.

SEE GROWING THREAT GLOBALLY.

MASON HMORE RESOLVE.

GREAT BILL BY CHRIS LEE.

OVER 15 LEGISLATORS VOTE ON IT AND VOTE YES FOR IT.

BUT ONE LEGISLATOR WAS ABLE TO KILL IT.

IN FINANCE.

>> YES.

>> DON'T UNDERSTAND AGAIN WHY 15 LEGISLATORS SAID YES, THIS IS A GOOD PIECE OF WORK, PROUD OF THIS, PUSH IT THROUGH.

BUT BECAUSE HE'S OVERWHELMED WITH THE VOLUME THAT COMES NO, ALSO, THOSE DON'T HAVE APPROPRIATION FOR FINANCIAL NEEDS, HE COULDN'T GET AROUND A SCHEDULING IT.

SO OUR DEMOCRACY COULD BE AT RISK IN CERTAIN WAYS BECAUSE SOMEBODY CAN'T GET AROUND TO IT.

>>Daryl: WE'RE GOING TO JUST A MINUTE OR SO, BECAUSE WE'RE KIND OF MOVING ALONG IN TIME, I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE BIG PICTURE THINGS THAT COULD CHANGE AND MAYBE HAVE SOME EFFECT.

DID GET SOMEONE, GIVE THIS WHAT ABOUT GETTING THE LEDGE TO FORM A DOJ IN OUR STATE SYSTEM TO FIND ABUSE ABUSE AND A CORRUPTION ADMINISTRATION IS DOING.

>> WE CAN'T GIVE OUT FREE MEALS FOR KIDS.

NEVERMIND.

>>Daryl: I THINK WHAT GIVES QUESTION BET BENEFIT DOUBT HERE.

WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

>> NO.

I MEAN, SO DOGE IS NOT APPROACH I WOULD AGREE WITH GOVERNMENT REFORM.

DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T DO IT EFFECTIVELY REFORM OUTDATED CIVIL SERVICE REQUIREMENTS OR LOOK AT DIFFERENT WAYS TO SOLVE A LOT OF OUR PROBLEMS WITH PROCUREMENT OR HIRING.

THERE IS SOME INTEREST.

SO I THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE ROOM OR SUPPORT FOR SOME KIND OF BLUE RIBBON COMMISSION THAT WOULD DO IT ANY RESPONSIBLE AND CAREFUL WAY.

POLITICALLY IN HAWAII, SOMETIMES DIFFICULT.

BECAUSE SOME OF THE MOST POWERFUL POLITICAL PLAYERS PUBLIC SECTOR UNIONS.

NOT SEA TO SAY HGEA AND OTHERS WOULDN'T NECESSARILY, BE OPPOSED TO IT A THOUGHTFUL APPROACH.

I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD GET VERY FAR WITH A HATCHET DOGE APPROACH E WHAT SENSE 35% OF OUR JOBS LEFT UNFILLED.

GO AND CUT THE JOBS THAT WE CAN'T FILL.

>>Daryl: SO INEFFECTIVE HIRING PEOPLE WE SAY.

>> RULES VUG SUGGESTS ADVOCATES GIVE.

PRODUCE EFFICIENT.

CUT OF JOB STATES BEING MORE EFFICIENT.

NOT HAVING TO SEND BILLS TO A FINANCE COMMITTEE WHEN YOU HAVE NO APPROPRIATION.

>>Daryl: OKAY.

>> SAID FOR 2 YEARS NOBODY SEEMS TO HEAR ME.

SAY IT 3 TIMES MAYBE SOMEBODY WILL HEAR ME.

>>Daryl: QUESTIONS ABOUT PENALTIES AND CRIMINAL ACTIONS.

ONE QUESTION, PLEASE ASK ABOUT THE UNIDENTIFIED LAWMAKER TOOK $35,000 MIGHT STILL BE SERVING OFFICE.

STATE INSTITUTE MANDATORY REPORTING.

>> CORRUPTION MUST YOU REPORT IT?

CAN THE ETHICS COMMISSION REFER A CASE TAXPAYOR CRIMINAL PROSECUTION, -- FOR CRIMINAL PROSECUTION.

YOU CAN.

YOU HAVE DONE THAT.

>> YES.

>>Daryl: THAT WAS ANOTHER QUESTION FOR FRANKMENT GETTING BACK TO THIS, DO YOU HAVE ETHICS COMMISSION THE POWER AND ABILITY AND THE STAFF TO GO AFTER SOMEONE LIKE THIS?

WAS A TIP THAT CAME OUT OF FEDERAL INVESTIGATION.

CIVIL BEAT, REPORTED IT, DIDN'T NAME NAMES BUT THERE'S SOMETHING SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING THERE.

CAN YOU GUYS PUT LIKE A TASK FORCE ON SOMETHING AND GO AFTER SOMETHING BACK GROUND OF THAT STORER, AS A PART INVESTIGATION INVESTIGATION LED TO THE TRIAL.

TO LEGISLATORS, THERE WAS A UNNAMED THIRD LEGISLATOR THAT HAD REPORTEDLY RECEIVED $35,000.

IT WAS A I THINK WORD WAS HIGH LEVEL OR PROMINENT LEGISLATOR.

SO CIVI CIVIL BEAT GOTTEN THAT INFORMATION.

>>Daryl: LOOKED THROUGH BLACKED OUT.

>> ABLE TO GET THAT INFORMATION.

BUT THE NAME WAS NOT REVEALED SO NOBODY I'M A IRWHAT OUTSIDE OF THE FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS AND U.S. ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, KNOWS WHO THIS INDIVIDUAL IS.

SO I WAS PUBLICLY QUOTED AS SAYING, YES, ETHICS COMMISSION THERE'S DIFFERENT LAYERS REGULATE THINGS.

THIS HAPPENS FEDERAL LEVEL.

COUNTY LEVEL AND STATE LEVEL.

CRIMINAL PENALTIES THAT ARE USUALLY OVERSEEN BY THE CHTHEPROSECUTOR.

CIVIL LAW LIKE ETHICS COMMISSION.

LAWS EASIER STANDARDS OF PROOF.

FOLKSY IF YOU CAN'T GO AFTER CRIMINALLY GO AFTER THEM CIVILLY.

THAT WAS YOU INTENT.

I UNDERSTAND SOMETIMES THAT THEY HAVE INFORMANTS REASONS WHY THEY CAN'T SHARE IT.

AND SO BE IT.

BUT AGAIN, IF WE WERE ABLE TO GET MORE INFORMATION, YES, WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY GO AFTER IT.

>>Daryl: WHO ARE YOU GOING TO CALL?

IF I'M CITIZEN, OR EMPLOYEE AND I KNOW SOMEONE TAKING A BRIBE, THE FEDS DONE ALMOST ALL THE PROSECUTING.

POLICE DEPARTMENT PEOPLE MIGHT BE THAT'S NOT, THEY'RE NOT GOVERNMENT WATCHED DOGS.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO CALL?

>> I WOULDEN ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO CALL ANYONE THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH.

COMPLAINT FORM SYSTEM OWRN WEBSITE, WE S ACCEPT NONE ALWAYS COMPLAINTS.

DON'T HAVE TO REALLY SURREAL OURSELF PROCESSED OVER 500 COMPLAINS IN THR THROUGH OUR ASSYSTEM SMALL BUT IMPORTANT BECOME ENFORCEMENT CASES.

>>Daryl: HOW PUBLIC WHETHER YOYOU WHEN YOU DO A CASE?

COMPLAINT COMES IN.

NOT BE OUR JURISDICTION TRY TO PUSH THE PERSON TO THE RIGHT PLACE.

SOMETIMES SOMEONE RESCUES WAIT WANTS TO COMPLAIN ABOUT PRIVATE LANDLORD.

CAN'T REALLY HELP YOU THERE.

WHERE IT STATE EMPLOYEE, ETHICS VIOLATION WE WILL INVESTIGATE AND GO TO CHARGE.

ANY SETTLEMENT OR ANY HEARING THAT WE HAVE IS PUBLIC.

SO WHENEVER WE TAKE ACTION, SEE THAT.

REASONLY SO, INVESTIGATIONS ARE CONFIDENCE.

UNTIL SUCH TIME GOT TON THE POINT GOING TO HEARING AND GOT TO CHARGEALLEGATIONS ETHICS COMMISSION PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.

WHISTLEBLOWER YOU WANT TO PROTECT THE WHISTLE BLOWER.

>> HOW MANY STATE INVESTIGATIONS LED TO CORRUPTION PAST FIVE YEARS?

>> I'M NOT SURE I CAN ANSWER THAT.

WE CAN PROBABLY NOT VERY MANY.

PART OF REASON WHY TWO YEARS AGO, THEY STOOD UP SPECIAL AG'S DIVISION TO BE ABLE TO HAVE GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO HIRE INVESTIGATORS TO BE ABLE TO DO SOME OF THESE THINGS.

SO I THINK IT'S REASONABLE QUESTION TO ASK SOON.

LIKE WHAT IS THE RESULT OF THAT.

WHAT IS THAT LOOKING LIKE?

>> PUBLIC ISSUE.

IS THAT YOU SAY THAT WE HAVE ALL OF THIS STUFF, GREAT STUFF, MAKING THESE STEPS BUT HOW THAT CASE RIGHT THERE, NOT SOMEBODY TAKING A LAWMAKER OUT TO EAT, THAT CASE WITH $35,000, WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS TO KNOW IS BEING DONE ABOUT.

HERE WE ARE 3 YEARS LATER WITH NO ANSWER AND PUSHING STATUE OF LI LIMITATIONS NOW.

>>Daryl: YEAH.

NOT GOING TO STATE AN OPINION.

BUT I DO WANT TO MOVE ON TO SOME BIGGER PICTURE THINGS.

BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS.

WHY DOESN'T LEGISLATURE STAY IN SESSION LONGER?

SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO STAY LONGER.

I THINK HE WANTS THEM TO STAY NOT MAKE ANY MORE MONEY.

BUT STILL, THAT BOTTLENECK AND THAT CRASH AT THE END FOR THE SESSION IS THE EXCUSE FOR A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT DOESN'T GET DONE.

>> HOT TOPIC RIGHT NOW.

BEING CONSIDERED TO HAVE A FULL-TIME LEGISLATURE.

YEAR AND LEGISLATURE.

MAYBE NOT FULL-TIME LEGISLATURE.

AND EVERYBODY WHO IS SITTING HERE HAS HAD REASONS TO HAVE OPINIONS ON THAT.

>>Daryl: WHAT'S YOUR OPINION?

>> I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.

I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED WHY OTHER STATES THAT ARE COMPARABLE IN SIZE AND COMPLEXITY TO OURS DON'T SEEM TO NEED IT.

BUT WHAT WE SEE IS THIS PUSHING OF EVERYTHING ALL TOGETHER.

CREATES PROBLEM FOR THE PUBLIC WHO WANTS TO TESTIFY CREATES PROBLEM FOR THE LEGISLATORS THEMSELVES.

WHO NEED TO PUSH TO GET THINGS THROUGH.

>>Daryl: THEY ARE RUSHING.

GOT TO SAY.

WHEN YOU TALK TO THEM, SOME DAYS YOU CAN'T EVEN REACH A LEGISLATOR.

RUNNING FROM COMMITTEE.

>> EXACTLY.

SO THEIR REASONS TO THINK THAT THAT'S A GOOD PLAN.

AND I'M NOT SPEAKING TORE FOR THE LEAGUE HERE BUT FOR MYSELF.

GOOD ARGUMENT FOR IT AND WE WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT THAT HAS SOME BEARING ON ETHICS.

>>Daryl: LET ME ASK COLIN.

READ THIS QUESTION FIRST.

BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT ON THE POINT.

WANT TO GIVE THE VIEWER CREADICK.

>> PART OF THE PROBLEM TOO MANY BILLS EACH YEAR SHORT SESSION, AND CHAIRS TRYING TO WEAVE THROUGHEN TOES OF LEGISLATION AND BILLS ABOUT REFORMING GOVERNMENT GO TO THE BOTTOM OF LIST.

BUT COLIN, HOW DO YOU SEE A WORK NL FULL-TIME LEGISLATOR WORKING AND DO YOU THINK WITH THE KIND PAY RAISES PROPOSED NOW, TIME FOR THEM TO JUMP ON THAT BAND WAGON OR.

>> YES.

YES.

I THINK THAT THIS.

>>DNOTSOMETHING SALARY COMMISSIN COULD HAVE DECIDED.

BUT NOW.

>> THAT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO BE PAID, VERY HIGHEST SALARIES, IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, WE CAN EXPECT FULL-TIME LEGISLATURE.

FORMALLY MOVING TO A 12 MONTH LEGISLATURE, WOULD PROBABLY CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.

YOU COULD SPREAD OUT THE 60 DAYS OF FLOOR SESSIONS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

AND HAVE COMMITTEES MEET IN THE INTERIM.

THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE THROUGH SOME INTERNAL RULES CHANGES.

THAT MIGHT PROVIDE MORE SPACE TO FULLY CONSIDER ALL OF THESE BILLS.

OTHER THING, LEGISLATORS REALLY WORKING HARD.

AND EVERYTHING IS JAMMED UP.

I AGREE WITH THE VIEWER THAT IS ONE OF REASONS I THINK GOD GOVERNMENT BILLS OFTEN DON'T RISE TO THE TOM.

TOP INTO TIME.

ALSO GIVE CITIZENS AND NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS MORE TIME TO RESPOND.

THINGS MOVE SO QUICKLY.

BY THE TIME THE PUBLIC IS AWARE, WHAT'S GOING ON, IT'S OVER.

OR IT'S ALREADY BEEN REJECTED BY THE CHAIR.

OR IT'S ALREADY AT THE END.

WE'RE DONE.

CONFERENCE.

DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

I NEVER REALLY HEARD A GREAT ARGUMENT FOR WHY WE SHOULDN'T MOVE TO A FULL-TIME LEGISLATURE.

EXCEPT MAYBE MORE EXPENSIVE AND CHANGE TO THIS NOTION OF A YOU CITIZEN LEGISLATURE.

THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO BACK AND HAVE OTHER JOBS.

TO THE FARMS.

SOME STATES HAVE TRUCES LEGISLATURES.

NEW MEXICO, NOBODY LEGISLATORS ARE NOT PAID.

NEW HAMPSHIRE MA $175 A YEAR.

OUTSIDE JOBS.

DOCTORS, DENTISTS.

BUT OUR LEGISLATURE KIND OF IN THIS WEIRD IN BETWEEN STAGE.

WHERE MOST OF OUR LEGISLATORS ACTUALLY ARE PROFESSIONAL LEGISLATORS.

I THINK THERE'S ABOUT 20 WHO HAVE SIGNIFICANT OUTSIDE EMPLOYMENT.

AND SO IT WOULDN'T, GETTING PAY, VERY GET TIF SALARIES, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE A HUGE.

SNET COMPETITIVE SALARIES EASIER FOR THEM TO WORK FULL-TIME.

ONE THING WE COULD REQUIRE OR COULD VERY RE REQUIRED SALARY COMMISSION COULDN'T DO TO.

FULL-TIME LEGISLATURE, RESTRICT OUTSIDE EMPLOYMENT.

U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE IF YOU'RE IN D DONE CONGRESS ONLY MAKE A CERTAIN AMOUNT MAN MONEY.

$25,000 I OUTSIDE INCOME.

>>Daryl: IN THE ETHICS COMMISSION YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE WEBSITE.

SEE WHAT EMPLOYMENT RESOURCE HAVE.

YOU CAN EVEN SEE SPOUSES MAKE CERTAINLY AMOUNT OF MONEY.

IT'S BROAD RANGES SO YOU D.DON'TREALLY KNOW IF SOMEONE MG A TON OF MONEY.

OR IF THEY'RE ONLY MAKING A LITTLE BIT.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS 2 OR 3 MINUTES.

QUESTIONS WE'RE GETTING AWFUL LOT OF THEM REVOLVE AROUND CONTROL THAT COMES FROM HAVING THIS OVER BURDENED OF LACK OF TIME AND TOO MUCH MATERIAL TO GO THROUGH.

FOCUSING ON CERTAIN PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO KEEP IT ORGANIZED.

SO IF YOU START, WHAT ARE THE MECHANISMS THAT COULD LEAD TO LEGISLATURE SOVE SOLVING THOSE PROBLEMS.

WON WOULD BE DISCLOSURE.

SOMEONE MAKING CLOSE TO $100,000 JOB RIGHT NOW A THAT ONLY OCCUPIES THEM FOR LITTLE MORE AN FOUR MONTHS, I MEAN, HOW DOES PUBLIC IN KNOW AND SHOULD ALL OF THAT BEING DISCLOSED.

IT IS DISCLOSED.

>> MAYBE IF I ERIN DIRECTLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

INDIRECTLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

>>Daryl: TERRIBLE QUESTION.

>> WHEN THE FULL FOLEY COMMISSION, RECEIVED A NUMBER RECOMMENDATIONS, OR REQUEST FROM THE PUBLIC WHICH INCLUDED, THINGS LIKE WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE TESTIMONY.

WEEK IN ADVANCE.

WE WANT TO FOLLOW THE SUNSHINE LAW REQUIRES SEVEN DAYS NOTICE.

AND AGAIN, FUNCTIONALLY WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE LEGISLATURE WHICH HAS TO RUSH THROUGH ALL BILLS AND PERIOD OF ABOUT FOUR WEEKS.

GET THROUGH ONE HOUSE, TO THE OTHER, IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO COMPLY ABOUT THE SUNSHINE LAW.

TIMING REQUIREMENTS OF IT.

EYE A LOT OF ISSUES REVOLVE FACT LEGISLATURE IS SO SORT.

>>Daryl: EXCUSE FOR NOT FOLLOWING SUNSHINE LAW.

>> CORRECT SEE YOU SHOULD DO THESE THINGS THAT WAS THE ININIAM PEDEINIINIMIN IMPEDIMEN.

YOU HAVE PRIMARIES HAPPENING SORT OF IN THE MID SUMMER PERIOD.

AND SO THERE REALLY ISN'T A LOT OF ROOM DURING ELECTION YEAR TO DO EVERYBODY.

BUT NONECOSYST NONELECTION YEARD SPREAD THINGS OUT.

LOOK AT JUST SINCE CONSTITUTION WAS DRAFTED, THAT INCREASE IN SIZE AND SCOPE OF RESPONSIBILITIES LEGISLATORS HAVE I WOULD ARGUE FUNCTIONALLY, THEY ARE FULFILL EMPLOYEES TODAY.

BECAUSE IF YOU SIT ON A NEIGHBORHOOD BOARD OR CONSTITUENT AND CALL YOUR LEGISLATOR IN AUGUST, YOU'RE NOT EXPECTING TO GET A MESSAGE SAYING SORRY I'LL BE BACK IN 3 MONTHS.

YOU EXPECT AN ANSWER RIGHT AWAY.

REALISTICALLY, FULL-TIME HE PLEASEMPLOYEES LOOK AT WAYS TO STRETCH THE ISOLATED SHOWER.

LEY FOLLOFOLLOWING SUNSHINE LAW.

ONE-TWO EXCUSE THEY COULD ACCEPT FOR THE SIZE OF THEIR PAY RAISE THAT THEY GOT.

DO YOU THINK THAT THERE'S A ARGUMENT TO ME THAT'S LEGISLATURE SHOULD JUSTFUL THE SUNSHINE LAW AND BE AROUND FOR AS LONG AS IT TAKES TO GET STUFF DONE?

>> WE WOULD LOVE FOR THEM TO FOLLOW THE SUNSHINE LAW.

BUT YOU CAN'T FOLLOW FOR THE REASONS THAT HAVE JUST BEEN AN EXAMPLE PLAINED CAN'T FOLLOW THE SUNSHINE LAW GIVEN CALENDAR NOW.

JUST EXPLAINED, IT WOULD BE ENHANCEMENT FOR THE PUBLIC IF THINK COULD FOLLOW THE SUNSHINE LAW WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO STRETCH IT OUT.

AND THAT GETS US PRETTY MUCH, IF NOT FULL-TIME CLOSE TO.

>>Daryl: AWFUL LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE GETTING.

WE ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT HOW WE COULD SOMEHOW GET THE LEGISLATURE, FIRST OF ALL DO YOU AGREE THAT LEGISLATURE SHOULD BE IN SESSION FOR WAY LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK WE CITIZENS WANT OUR ELECTED OFFICIAL WORKING FOR US FULL-TIME.

I THINK THAT THERE WAS A TIME WHEN AMERICA WAS MUCH SMALLER, AND SCOPE OF THE LEGISLATURE WAS A LOT SMALLER AS WELL.

TO WHERE THEY COULD BE CITIZENS AND BE LEGISLATORS AT THE SAME TIME.

NOW I NEED YOU FULL-TIME.

AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH WANTING THAT.

YOU THINK THAT HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT SPEAK OF THE HOUSE HAS EXPRESSED VERY INTERESTED IN BO WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

APPLAUD HER ON THAT.

MATH GAME TO HIT THE CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENT.

>>Daryl: GOT TO STOP NOW.

HIT OUR HOUR.

LOOK AT THAT.

MAHALO FOR JOINING US TONIGHT AND WE THANK OUR GUESTS, CAMRON HURT FROM COMMON CAUSE HAWAII AND JUDITH MILLS WONG FROM THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS OF HAWAII, POLITICAL ANALYST COLIN MOORE AND ROBERT HARRIS FROM THE STATE ETHICS COMMISSION.

NEXT WEEK, WE DISCUSS OAHU'S LANDFILL DILEMMA.

THE DEADLINE TO CLOSE THE CURRENT SITE IN WEST OAHU IS GETTING CLOSER, BUT THE SITE PICKED BY THE MAYOR FACES REJECTION AT THE STATE CAPITOL, SO WHERE OH WHERE CAN THE LANDFILL BE DONE?

PLEASE JOIN US THEN.

I'M DARYL HUFF FOR INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAII.

ALOHA.

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