BOY STATE LEGISLATURE CONSIDERING PACKAGE OF BILLS THAT ADDRESS CURRENT AND FEDERAL IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT IN THE ISLANDS.

SUPPORTERS SAY MEASURE STRENGTHEN TRUST BETWEEN DMIEWPTS AND GOVERNMENT.

OPPONENTS ARGUE THEY COULD CONFLICT WITH FEDERAL LAW WHAT EXACTLY DO THESE BILL DOES?

WHO DO THEY AFFECT AND HOW NECESSARY ARE THEY?

TONIGHT'S LIVE BROADCAST OF LIFE STREAM OF INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAII START NOW.

♪ ♪ >>YUNJI: ALOHA AND WELCOME TO INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI'I.

I'M YUNJI DE NIES.

IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT HAS BECOME ONE OF THE MOST POLARIZING ISSUES IN AMERICA — AND THE DEBATE HAS NOW REACHED THE HAWAI'I STATE LEGISLATURE.

SEVERAL BILLS MOVING THROUGH THE CAPITOL COULD CHANGE HOW THE STATE RESPONDS TO FEDERAL IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT AND WHAT ROLE LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT PLAY IN THAT PROCESS.

TONIGHT, WE TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT WHAT THESE BILLS WOULD ACTUALLY DO — AND WHAT'S AT STAKE FOR HAWAI'I.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR PARTICIPATION IN TONIGHT'S SHOW.

YOU CAN EMAIL OR CALL IN YOUR QUESTIONS AND YOU'LL FIND A LIVE STREAM OF THIS PROGRAM AT PBSHAWAII.ORG AND THE PBS HAWAII YOUTUBE PAGE.

NOW, TO OUR GUESTS.

REPRESENTATIVE DELLA AU BELATTI SERVES DISTRICT 24 WHICH INCLUDES MAKIKI, TANTALUS, PAPAKOLEA, AND PUNCHBOWL.

SHE WAS FIRST ELECTED TO SERVE IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES IN 2006.

SHE HAS BEEN THE HOUSE MAJORITY LEADER AND HAS CHAIRED THE HOUSE HEALTH COMMITTEE AND PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.

MIKE LAMBERT IS THE DIRECTOR FOR THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.

PRIOR TO HIS APPOINTMENT TO HIS CURRENT POSITION, HE SERVED 21 YEARS WITH THE HONOLULU POLICE DEPARTMENT WORKING IN THE TRAINING DIVISION AND AS THE COMMANDER FOR THE NARCOTICS VICE DIVISION.

BETTINA MOK IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE LEGAL CLINIC, AN ORGANIZATION THAT ADVOCATES FOR IMMIGRANT AND MIGRANT JUSTICE, RIGHTS, AND EDUCATION.

SHE WAS BORN IN BANGKOK, THAILAND AND CAME TO THE U.S.

AT THE AGE OF SIX.

SHE HAS A MASTER'S DEGREE IN INTERNATIONAL ADMINISTRATION.

REPRESENTATIVE ELIJAH PIERICK SERVES DISTRICT 39 WHICH INCLUDES PARTS OF ‘EWA, WAIPAHU, HONO'ULI'ULI, AND ROYAL KUNIA.

HE WAS ELECTED TO THE HOUSE IN 2022 AND HAS WORKED AS A COUNSELOR AND PASTOR.

HE WAS AN OFFICER IN THE AIR FORCE RESERVE PRIOR TO ASSUMING OFFICE.

THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

OUR DISCUSSION WELL TIMED OBVIOUSLY KRISTINE NOHM NEWS TODAY.

BIG CHANGES TOP OF DEPARTMENT OF HOMELANDS SECURITY.

OVERSEES IMMIGRATION POLICY.

TONIGHT VERY FOLKS FOLKSED HERE IN HAWAII AND I WANT TO START WITH YOU.

FOCUSED IN HAWAII.

THERE ARE SIX CORE BILLS IF THE PACKAGE FOR ADDRESSING I AM G IMMIGRATI.

MANY MORE THAN THAT.

CAN YOU GIVE US SPIRIT OF WHAT LAWMAKERS ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS THIS SESSION?

>> YES.

CERTAINLY.

MANY, MANY BILLS.

SIX LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES THAT LAWMAKERS AND ADVOCATES HAVE BEEN PROMOTING.

MOST OF THEM ARE DESIGNED TO PROTECT JUST EXISTING RIGHTS, OF ALL RESIDENTS IN HAWAII.

INCLUDING THOSE BORN OUTSIDE OF THE UNITED STATES.

SO THEY ARE DESIGNED TO PROMOTE COMMUNITY TRUST, LAW ENFORCEMENT AND COMMUNITY SAFETY, ANDEN INSURER DUE PROCESS.

SO SOME OF THE BILLS, ARE AROUND RESTORING PROTECTIONS FOR SENSITIVE LOCATION.

LIKE SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS AND COURTS.

WE HAVE BILL PROPOSED TO FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO ISSUE WHAT IS CALLED UN TV, GET HOPEFULLY GET INTO THAT MORE LATER.

WE HAVE SOME NO SECRET POLICE BILLS THAT I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT TONIGHT.

AND SOME FAIR SENTENCING REFORMS AND OTHER BILLS UNDER THIS LEGISLATIVE PACKAGE.

>>Yunji: JUST SO VIEWERS UNDERSTAND, NO SECRET POLICE, WEXACTLY DOES THAT BILL.

>> NUMBER OF BILLS I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ALL OF THEM RIGHT NOW.

NO GEIN GENERAL SEEN MAINLAND OR CONTINENT PLAY OUT A LOT OF ABUSE OF POWER WITH FEDERAL AGENTS BEING MASKED AN UNIDENTIFIED.

THAT'S LED TO A LOT OF CONFUSION.

OF LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT POTENTIALLY BEING INVOLVED AS WELL.

WHICH HAS NOT ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE.

USUALLY NOT BEEN THE CASE.

BUT THERE IS EROSION OF TRUST WHEN RESIDENTS DON'T KNOW WHO IS AT THEIR DOORSTEP OR REQUESTING DETAIN SOMEONE FOR EXAMPLE.

>>Yunji: WHY DO YOU THINK THIS IS NECESSARY GIVEN THAT FEDERAL POLICY REALLY DICTATES IMMIGRATION?

>> WELL, WE HAVE OBLIGATION TO ALSO PROTECT OUR PEOPLE FROM EXCESS AND OVER REACHES THAT WE'VE SEEN ON THE CONTINENT.

OVER THE SUMMER, WE HAVE SEEN INDIVIDUALS CITIZENS DETAINED, SEEN CHILDREN DETAINED.

WE'VE SEEN PLACES LIKE SCHOOLS WHERE PEOPLE ARE BEING PUSHED DOWN TO THE GROUND AND STOMPED.

SO THAT IS NOT PROPER LAW ENFORCEMENT PROCEDURES.

NOW, QUESTION STILL OUT THERE.

BUT THERE'S CERTAINLY ARE PROBLEMS WITH THOSE THINGS.

AND OF COURSE, KILLINGS OF MUCH ALEXIS PURD YVMENY RENEE G. GOES FAR BEYOND WHAT'S NORMAL IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.

>>Yunji: WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS PACKAGE OF BILLS.

>> GOAL IS HE FR PROTECT RESID.

PROMOTE COMMUNITY SAFETY.

HEART BEHIND IT IMPLEMENTATION IS VERY PERCENT PARTLY CLOUDY TESTIFIES I THINK THAT, PERSPECTIVES.

GOALS ARE ADMIRABLE.

I IMPLEMENTATION COULD BE HARMFUL.

>>Yunji: WHAT SPES INTERGOVERNMENTAL WILL I ARE SPECIFICALLYWHEN YOU CONCERNED .

>> MORE, FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER GOING INTO THE COMMUNITY AND DOING VERY DANGEROUS WORK, NO WORKING WITH CRIM CIP MAN CRIMINALS B    G GANGING WANTS TO KILL THEM, FACE ARE SHOWN THAT CAN POSE A THREAT TO THAT MAN.

OR WOMAN.

SO THERE'S A LOTS OF SECRET SERVICE POLICE OFFICERS AROUND AMERICA AND THE WORLD THAT PRACTICE NO IDs BEING SHOWN.

NO FACING RECOGNITION SHOWN.

POLLACFACE MASK DO THE OPERATIOO HE/HIM H.O.M.GO HOMED A BE SAFE.

VERSUS SEN BEING TRACKED DOWN BY GANG MEMBER.

>>Yunji: ENFORCEMENT ALL OF THESE MEASURES PASS.

GET INTO SPECIFIC LATER.

WHO ACTUALLY FOEN FORKERSES THI.

>> A ENFORCES THIS.

>> A LOT OF NUANCE TO THE BI BILL.

MASK BILL OF CONCERN.

AND I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT WE DON'T UNDERSTAND.

WE DO.

I UNDERSTAND TEMPERATURE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE NATION.

I UNDERSTAND CONCERN.

I JUST SOMETIMES I JUST KIND OF WISH THERE WILL BE A LITTLE MORE COMMUNICATION.

POSSIBILITY COULD INTERFERE WITH THINGS THAT HAVE NOTHING DO WITH IMMIGRATION.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT I MEAN BY THAT S BEING NARCOOFFICER FOR YEARS PURPOSE TO BEING MASKED THE SO AGAIN.

I DON'T WANT TO CONFUSE WHAT WE DO HERE WITH WHAT GOES ON THE MAINLAND.

BUT DEFINITELY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN HERE IS THAT IF WE ARE EXPECTED LOCAL AND STATE LAW ENFORCEMENT TO THEN ENFORCE ALONG FEDERAL AGENT DOING HIS JOB, THAT COULD ACTUALLY BE PROBLEMATIC FOR THE ACTUAL STATE OR LOCAL OFFICER.

SO WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE SIN INTERCEPT.

WANT TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY'S FEARS MAKING SURE WE ARE SUPPORTING BILL THAT IS MAKE THEM FEEL COMFORTABLE AND BUILDS PUBLIC TRUST.

I DO SOME E'O HAVE SOME CONCERNS WHAT WOULD THE EXPECTATION BE IF THESE BILLS PASS.

ARREST FEDERAL AGENT?

THAT'S NOT NOT GOING TO HAP HAPPEN.

>>Yunji: WAIL ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT?

>> SOME OF MY THOUGHTS, THAT BILLS ARE MOVING.

AND OUR JUDICIARY CHAIRS ARE MAKING AMENDMENTS TO ADDRESS THESE KIND OF VERY VALID CONCERNS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.

SO CLEARLY, THERE ARE GOING TO BE EXCEPTIONS.

BUT FOR THE MOST PART, WE KNOW THIS, FROM TESTIMONY OF LOMLAWENFORCEMENT FOLKS NOT NORL TO BE UNIDENTIFIED.

IT IS NOT NORMAL TO BE MASKED AT COMPLETELY.

SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE JUST RE-ESTABLISHING WHAT ARE THE PROPER POLICIES THAT ARE UNDER OUR STATE AND OUR FEDERAL CONSTITUTION.

I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, WE HAVE THIS HISTORY IN THIS COMMUNITY WHERE WE KNOW THAT SEVERAL RIGHTS HAVE BEEN VIOLATED AND WE ALSO KNOW FROM REPORTS THAT OCCURRING TODAY, SEVERAL PEOPLE BEING DETAPED FAY MEMBERS ONCE DETAINED ARE BEING MOVED TO DIFFERENT DETENTION CENTERS.

NONE OF THIS IS NORMAL.

AND WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT AND THEN STATE LEGISLATORS WE HAVE TO WRITE POLICIES AND DEMAND THAT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT MEETS THOSE STANDARDS.

IN MANY WAYS IT CAN ALSO PROTECT THEM POLICE OFFICERING INTO THE FUTURE BECAUSE I WOULD AGREE WITH DIRECTOR LAMBERT WE HAVEN'T SEEN KIND OF ACTIVITY THAT WE'VE SEEN ON THE CONTINENT.

BUT WE HAVE TWO MORE YEARS.

THREE MORE YEARS OF THIS ADMINISTRATION.

IT'S ERRATIC.

BEHAVIOR IS ERRATIC.

SO WE DON'T KNOW BAY DISP TO WHAT'S GOINGTO HAPPEN 3 MONTHS .

ONE YEAR AGO WE WERE BEING TOLD BY THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL THAT THEY HAD ALL OF THESE POLICIES PLACE BUT DIRECTOR WILL POINT OUT TO YOU, THERE WAS INCIDENT OVER THE SUMMER WHERE THERE WAS SENSITIVE LOCATION, COURTHOUSE IN MAUI, ASSISTANTS WITH IMMIGRATION DETENTION.

SO WE WERE TOLD THAT THAT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN OF BUT IT DID.

REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE BE CLEAR SO THAT EVERYONE IS ON THE SAME PAGE.

AND WE HAVE EXPECTATIONS BOTH ENFORCEABLE AND HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE AND PROTECT OUR RIGHTS.

>> P PIGGYBACK.

I AGREE THAT IT IS YOU NOT CORRECT FOR THEM NOT TO BE IDENTIFIED.

SOMEHOW.

SO I GET THE MASKING.

THERE IS A CONCERN OF DOCKING BUT AGENCY SHOULD BE CLEARLY MARKED.

SO DOXING.

SOME OF THE THINGS SEEN ON MAINLAND, MARKED WITH IDENTIFYING NUMBER.

THE SO IF THERE DOES HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTABILITY BE ABLE TO DO THAT THAT'S THE BALANCE THAT, COULD BE STRUCK.

AGAIN, BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN ACTION, EVEN OFFICERS LOCALLY, IN DEALING WITH THE LOCAL GANGS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT O ONONINSTAGRAM SOCIAL MEDIA KIDS HAVE BEEN THREATENED.

THAT'S WHY THERE ARE TIMES BEING MASKED IS APPROPRIATE.

AGAIN, SECOND POINT TO, I ACTUALLY HAD TO DISCIPLINE THE SHERIFF AT MAUI COURTHOUSE BECAUSE THERE WAS IN INTERNAL MEMO SAYING WE'RE NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT AND COME INTO THE FRONT.

NOT R THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED.

DEPU DEPUTY WHEREAS WITTED END UP.

CLEARLY WAS WRITTEN.

NOTHING WRONG DEALLY BUT DO YOU TO INTERNAL POLICY, IT WAS A NO-NO.

WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE IN A.

>>Yunji: FOLLOW UP ON THAT.

WHAT KIND OF, COOPERATION IS THERE BETWEEN FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT, ICE IMMIGRATION AND ENFORCEMENT AND ISLANDS AND YOUR AGENCY AND OTHER HPD MPD AND SO ON.

>> AS FAR AS I KNOW, NONE OF THE LOCAL AGENCIES ARE ENGAGING IN IMMIGRATION DRIVEN ENFORCEMENT.

WHAT HAPPENS IS GETTING TRICKY AND ANTI- AND DICEY.

HAD A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH HSI, HOMELAND SECURITY INVESTIGATIONS.

PARTNER FOR E RAD E E E RAD ITSR GAMBLING OPERATIONS ORGANIZED CRIME COMMITTING HUMAN TRACKING TO JUSTICE.

ERADICATING HE WE DON'TANT WHAT DO TURBULENT SITUATION DAMAGE THOSE RIELING REEBLTION S GOTTEN -RIELINGS SHOIP US.

GOTTEN TENSE BECAUSE YOU HAD TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST MY DEPUTY.

FROM OUR RELATIONSHIP.

CONCERNS FROM FEDERAL COUNTERPARTS ARE WE NO LONGER PLAYING BY THE SAME RULE BOOK I YOU KNOW WHAT?

I WORK FOR THE GOVERNOR.

BEEN VERY CLEAR ON WHAT I AM ALLOWED TO DO AS PERTAINS TO TOIMMIGRATION WHICH IS ZERO.

THAT'S THE PRIMARY CAUSE.

BUT YOU KNOW, AND YOU ORDER FROM THE PRESIDENT.

SO WE JUST HAVE TO SURVIVE THIS PERIOD.

WE HAVE SURVIVOR THIS PERIOD.

WE GOT TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE FOREST FROM THE TR TREES ON SOME OF THESE ISSUES.

>> CAN'T HELP YOU ON IMMIGRATION DRIVEN ENFOR ENFORCEMENT.

BUT STILL CONTINUE TO HELP PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING VICTIMIZED HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND OTHER THINGS.

I THINK THAT ONE OF THE KEY RELATIONSHIPS OR ONE OF THE KEY THINGS THAT HAS TO BE CLEAR WITH OUR COMMUNITY IS ACTUALLY USED IMMIGRATION FOR BAD PEOPLE.

FOCPROTECTFOR EXAMPLE, CAN'TPRO THROUGH COURT.

WE KNOW THEIR PARTICIPATING.

ALL WE HAVE ON SOME KIND OF IMMIGRATION VIOLATION.

OUTILIZE THAT ACCESS POINT TO DISRUPT THAT ORGANIZATION.

IT HAS TO BE I CASE-BY-CASE.

I GONE ON E'O TON THE RECORD DONE NOTHING WRONG BUT SOME TYPE OF APPLICATION ISSUE I THINK THAT MIGHT NOT DID NOT APPROPRIATE, FOR SOMEONE TO BE FACED DOWN IN THE DIRT OVER.

BUT I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEGE THERE ARE TIMES WHERE ENFORCEMENT TREE, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE.

AND IT'S BEEN A VERY EFFECTIVE TOOL PRETRUMP.

>> WE HAD A GREAT DISCUSSION ON THE FLOOR TODAY.

OUR CHAIR, JUDICIARY CHAIR DAVID WAS REALLY CLEAR.

THAT WE ARE PASSING LAWS THAT ARE NOT GOING TO INTERFERE IN THOSE TYPES OF RELATIONSHIPS.

WHERE WE KNOW IT'S HUMAN TRAFFICKING.

WE KNOW IT'S VIOLENT CRIMES.

WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE VAST MAJORITY OF OTHER ENFORCEMENTS THAT WE SEE.

ON THE CONTINENT, WHERE IT'S WITH INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE NOT IT'S SERIOUS CIP FRIENDS AND FRIEDIDID-CRIMINALS.

THIS PRESIDENT SAID HE'S GOING AFTER.

THAT'S WHY I THINK THESE BILLS ARE NECESSARY.

BECAUSE WE'RE CLARIFYING THE CONTEXT OF SITUATION.

>> WHICH WE CAN USE THE DIFFERENT ENFORCEMENT TIME.

>>Yunji: BEFORE WE DIVE DEEPER INTO T THAT THE BILLS, WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT WHAT IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT HLOOKED LIKE IN THE LAST YEAR UNDER THIS PRESIDENT HERE IN WOULD I?

>> HERE IN WH HAWAII ICE DETENTIONS ORDERS MORE THAN DOUBLED OTHER THE LAST 12 MONTHS AND THERE HAVE BEEN STUDIES BOTH NATI NATIONALLY AND HAWAII, OVER 70% OF THOSE BEING DETAINED IN OUR FEDERAL DETENTION CENTER RIGHT HERE AT THE AIRPORT HAVE NO CRIMINAL HISTORY.

AND PEOPLE WHO DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN ENVIRO VIOLATING IMMIGRN ADMINISTRATIVE LAW OR POLICY VERSUS CRIMINAL LAW CONFUSED ABOUT THAT.

WELL, IF THEY THE GRANDMA FROM THE PHILIPPINES OVER STAYED THEHER TI COMMITTING A CRIME.

IT FORGOTTEN NOTIFY ICE ABOUT ADDRESS CHANGE.

REGULARLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH IMMIGRATION POLICY.

UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION, USING ANY REASON LIKE THAT TO TAKE PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS AND PUT THEM IN DETENTION.

SO RIGHT NOW, WITH THE INCREASE IN NUMBER OF DETAIN PERCY IHARA, VERY FEW DETAIN PDEDETAINPERCY IHARA.

IMMIGRATION LAWS HAVE HANDFUL.

PRIVATE ATTORNEY IS NOT TESTIMONY VERSED GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF DETENTION FOR THIS TYPE OF THING.

RECENT PROBLEM NOT AFFORDING PEOPLE IN DETENTION DUE PROCESS.

NOT LETTING THEM BOND OUT OR COME BEFORE A JUDGE.

TO FIGHT THEIR CASE.

THEY'RE JUST BEING LEFT IN THE FEDERAL DETENTION TERRA ALONGSIDE CONVICTED FELONS.

CENTER.

UNCONSTITUTION AND ALAN SCARY FOR THEM THEIR FAMILIES.

>>Yunji:ER DO YOU SHARE THOSE CONCERNS WHEN YOU HEAR THAT 70% ARE OF THOSE ENRIQUEZ BEING DETAINED NOT -- FOLKS NOT VIOLENT CRIMINALS.

>> WE WANT TO PRIORITIZE PROMOTING SAFETY IN THE COMMUNITY CARING FOR KUPUNA, LOVING THOSE THAT WEREN'T BORN IN AMERICA AT THE SAME TIME WE NEED TO REALIZE THERE'S SOME HO40,000I AM ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

CRIME COMING TO OUR NATION, WITHOUT THE PROPER MEANS, STILL A CRIME.

WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND JUSTICE.

WITH COMPASSION.

>>Yunji: 40,000, THAT NUM NUMBER, REPRESENTATIVE BEL BELATTI,.

>> I STRUGGLE WITH THAT.

BECAUSE IN ONE CASE, ONE OF THE BILLS WE HAVE, LOOKING AT THE U AND TV GETTING BACK TO.

WE HAVE HAD IN THE PES UNDER FEDERAL IMMIGRATION, PEOPLE COMING, IN THE PAST, COMING TO AMERICA BECAUSE THEY'RE VICTIMS OF CRIME OWN COUNTRIES OR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE VICTIM NOW SEEING EVEN THOSE INDIVIDUALS BEING THREATENED.

WE'VE HAD PEOPLE SUFFERED FROM WARS IN THEIR COUNTRY.

ALLOWED TO BE HERE ASYLUM.

SEEING THESE POLICIES PULLED BACK.

THAT TO ME IS NOT THAT THEY'RE ILLEGAL AND THEY'VE DONE SOMETHING WRONG.

WE ARE CHANGING THE PAL PPAL POLLPO POL POLICIES ON THEM AS WE SPEAK.

NOT RIGHT.

ARBITRARY AND NOT HUMANE, IN THOSE STAIN NS WE ARE HAVE LOOK FOR THOSE KIND POLICIES THAT WILL STRENGTHEN AGAINST THAT KIND OF ARBITRARY ENFORCEMENT LAWS.

POINT AGAINST THE U AND TV, THOSE IMMIGRATION BILLS THAT DON'T SEEM LIKE IMMIGRATION BILLS BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING STRENGTHENING THE PROCESS RECOGNIZES THREE STATE POLICIES THROUGH THE STATE JUDICIARY, CERTIFYING THEM AS, BEING APPROPRIATE PEOPLE TO BE HERE.

NOT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

THEY ARE NONCITIZENS RIGHT THEORY HAVE A PATHWAY TO BE HERE.

MAKING SURE THAT ALL THE SYSTEMS IN PLACE, STATE TO CERTIFY THEM ARE IN PLACE.

THAT IS WAY TO ENSURE AGAIN, REALLY, LIVE OUR ALOHA AS A STATE THAT WELCOMES IMMI IMMIGRANTS.

ANOTHER GREAT EXAMPLE, IS BILL WITH THE VISAS.

TEACHERS.

FILIPINO TEACHERS THAT WE NEED BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH A SHORTAGE.

OR IT'S GOING TO BE HEALTH CARE WORKERS THAT NEED BECAUSE THERE'S A SHORTAGE.

WE'RE LOOKING AT BILLS FOR THE HAWAII TEACHERS STANDARD BOARD, TO REALLY F FORMALIZE THE PROCESS FOR THE J VISAS.

THAT'S AGAIN SHOWING US THAT WE ARE STATE OF ALOHA, WE COLE WELCOME PEOPLE NOT CITIZENS BECAUSE THEY ARE PART OF HUMANITY.

>>Yunji: DO YOU THINK IF WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE RYAN KAIPO NOBRIGA DISTIN DISTINCTIONS,-THOSE KIND OF DISTINCTIONS.

HIGH PROFILE OF MAUI, NUMBER OF TEAC TEACH DETEAFNED AND RELEASED.

TERRIBLE ILLNE INCIDENT FOR THE.

HERE TO HELP WITH OUR TEACHERS SHORTAGE.

IF WE'RE ABLE TO DO WHAT REPRESENTATIVE BELATTI I IS LAYING OUT, SORT OF MAKE THOSE DISTINCTIONS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD SUPPORT?

YOUR PARTY COULD SUPPORT.

>> YES.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF DID I DIVERY TEAAT THE TABLE.

PROMOTE COMMUNITY SAFETY, ALOHA, PROMOTE COMPASSION AN JUSTICE FOR OUR COMMUNITIES MEMBERS.

SO THERE'S ALREADY PRE PRE       T PRE-EXISTING CATEGORY OF I AM CONGIMMIGRATION.

LIGHT OF EEXISTING PATHWAYS FORE TO COME IN.

WITH US NOW.

PART OF EWA BEACH, WAIPAHU PEARL CITY AND ALSO THAT 40,000 CATEGORY OF PEOPLE THAT AREN'T IN THOSE SUBCATEGORY U US.

HERE ILLEGALLY.

AND THAT'S WHAT DISCUSSION THIS CONVERSATION IS.

SHOULD THEY BE DEPORTED.

SHOWED THINK BE HERE LONGER?

THOSE ARE VARIED.

>>S.

>>Yunji: BRING IN ISSUES.

YOU BACK INTO HERE FOR A SECOND AND TALK ABOUT, THE SENSITIVE PLACE.

LOOKING AT AT ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS COMING IN.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE I READ THOSE.

ALSO WANT TO ASK.

TALK ABOUT THE SENSITIVE PLACES THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS GOTTEN A LOT OF ATTENTION.

MAKING SCHOOLS HOSPITALS, PLACE OF WORSHIP.

OFF LIMITS TO IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.

HAVE WE HEARD OF THOSE INCIDENCE HAPPENING HERE IN THE ISLANDS?

AND WHAT WOULD ACTUALLY DO?

IS THIS ENFORCEABLE?

CAN YOU REALLY KICK AN ICE AGENT OUT OF A HOSPITAL EVEN IF THIS PASSES?

>> YEAH, IT'S NOT THEY WOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED.

NEED TO ALSO LET FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DO THEIR JOB IN THE CASE CA JUDICIL WANT TO ARREST SOMEONE.

HOW THAT'S HAPPEN AND WHETHER STATE AND COUNTY WORKS CAN BE PULLED IN TO HELP TO ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES.

ASKING THAT PROPOSING THAT STATE AN COUNTY WORKERS BE WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF ONE OF THESE SENSITIVE LOCATION IS NOT BE INVOLVED IN ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES.

AND THAT FO FOLKS BE TRAINED WHT JUDICIAL WARRANT IS AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE THERE WAS A CASE I BELIEVE IT WAS HAWAII ISLAND, WHERE ICE AGENTS SHOWED UP AT AN SCHOOL, EITHER ELEMENTARY OR MIDDLE SCHOOL, KIDS WERE YUNJI E'O YOUNG AJTRAUMA TIED THIS.

PRESENCE OF THEM, IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES SHALL IS TRAUMA ATRAUMATIZING WILL KEEP PEOPLE AWAY FROM SCHOOL FOR THE REST WAS YEAR.

STAFF LEARNED TO MEET, SUCH AGES OUT AGENTS SIDE THE PROPERY AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SITUATION IS TRY TO ORCHESTRATE WHEN WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IF NEEDED TO COME IN TO, BRING A CHILD OUT OF SCHOOL.

I THINK IN CASE, ONE OF THE FATHERS OF A CHILD WAS BEING SOUGHT BUT THEY DIDN'T NEED TO LOOK FOR THAT MAN ON THE CAMPUS.

IF THEY WERE LOOKING TO GET THE CHILD OUT, IT REALLY DIDN'T NEED TO BE UNIFORM FEDERAL AGENTS ON SITE.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE DEFINITELY TRYING TO AVOID.

SIMILAR WITH SITUATION WITH THE J20 TEACHERS FILIPINO TEACHERS.

I THINK THERE WAS ANOTHER CASE WHERE MAUI FIRE VICTIMS, WILDFIRE VICTIMS WHO WERE IN HOUSING THERE WAS A RAID SORT OF DONE ON THEIR.

HAVING JUST MOVED INTO THEIR LOCATION.

>> THERE WERE REPORTS I BELIEVE OF AGENTS AT CHURCHES.

AND CHURCHES HAD ONCE BEEN CONSIDERED SENSITIVE LOCATION.

>> WANT TO PULL THIS BACK.

FEDERAL POLICY EVEN JUST A YEAR AGO, RESPECTED THESE SENSITIVE LOCATIONS.

AND SO IT WAS A CHANGE OF ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY THAT NOW HAS SET OFF THIS KIND OF CHAIN EVENTS WHERE PEOPLE ARE AFR AFRAID.

WE HAVE HAD DOCTORS AND THE HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS REPORT TO US.

THAT THEY'RE SEEING DECLINES IN PATIENTS COMING BECAUSE OF THE PATIENTS ARE NOW AFRAID.

THAT'S DELAYED CARE.

TALK ABOUT CARING FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO GO TO THE DOCTORS.

THAT'S NOT CARING FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

>>Chair THAT'S ALL RESIDENTS NOT JUST PEOPLE BORN ABROAD OR BROWN SKIN.

ANYONE THAT GOT SOMEONE IN THEIR HOUSEHOLD THAT MIGHT BE SCARED OF THIS KIND OF THING.

THEY'LL STOP GOING TO CHURCHES AND COURTHOUSES AND HOSPITALS AS WELL.

>>Yunji: DIRECTOR I'M CURIOUS KNOW WHAT KIND OF INTERACTIONS YOUR AGENCY HAS EXPERIENCED WITH ICE OFFICERS AND WHAT YOU'RE HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC AS WELL.

>> DEFINITELY SOME CONCERNS.

THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE SOMETIMES THAT THEY SEE SOMETHING HAPPEN ON CONTINENT, AND JUST ASSUME IT'S WIDESPREAD HERE.

THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THESE TYPE OF CONVERSATIONS TO SAY THAT YE YEAH, THEY ARE HAPPENING AND ISOLATED INCIDENTS.

AND THAT STATE IS LOOKING AT WAYS TO PROTECT PEOPLE.

BUT I THINK THAT WHAT I DON'T WANT IS FOR PEOPLE TO SAY, WHY THE LOCAL POLICE NOT COMBATING THESE FEDERAL AGENTS?

EVEN IF THOSE SITUATIONS WE TALK ABOUT, THE BEST THAT SHERIFF OR COUNTY OFFICER COULD DO IS DOCUMENT IT.

IF WE INTERVENE WE COULD BE RATED FOR INTERFEREINGEL FEDERAL OPERATION, I HOPE THAT PEOPLE IN THE STATE AND ELECTED OWE FE OFFICIALS DON'T T THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING TO DO.

I'LL END UP FEDERAL DETENTION CENTER FOR GOD KNOWS HOW LONG.

NOT ADMINISTRATION YOU DON'T WANT TO CHALLENGE THINGS THAT AREN'T CLEAR BUT WE DEFINITELY WANT THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW WE SUPPORT THEM GO TO THE HOSPITAL.

GO TO THE SCHOOL.

GO TO THE CHOMP.

AND IF THERE ARE THESE -- CHURCH.

VIOLATIONS WE'LL BE THERE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT HURTER O UNNECESSARY FORCE.

BE THERE TO DOCUMENT.

WE WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR AT THAT POINT, ALL WE CAN REALLY BE IS A WITNESS.

AND IT ATTORNEY GENERAL OFFICE, TO GO AHEAD AND CHALLENGE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ON THOSE ACTIONS AND DECI DECISIONS.

>> DO WITHIN WONDER THOUGH TALKING ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO HHOP THE SGT.

EDMUN HOSPIT IS T WANT GO TO SCHOOL.

EMOTION OF TRUST.

FEARFUL ONE ARM OF LOMPLET LOMPLLAWENFORCEMENT WHAT THAT DR YOUR BRANCH.

>> ALWAYS TRICKLES.

GEORGE FLOYD MIDDLE UNITED STATES.

HERE IN THE MIDDLE OF PACIFIC.

WE NO LONGER CAN USE NECK RESTRAINTS.

NOW WE HAVE ISSUE, SAME THING MIDDLE AMERICA, FOR YOU DISCUSSIONS ON LOSING ABILITY TO MASK.

WE OVERCOME.

SEE SAYING WE HAVE THESE WAVES OF THINGS THAT HAPPEN BECAUSE LAW ENFORCEMENT ALWAYS GETS BUNCHED TOGETHER.

SOMETIMES FOR BETTER, SIMONS FOR WORSE.

THINK THAT IN THIS SITUATION, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR OUR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS.

WE DON'T NECESSARILY SUPPORT IMMIGRATION ONLY, BUT WE WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT IF IT'S ATTACHED TO A CRIME, THAT WE CAN'T CONFUSE THE TWO.

EL I LIKE I SAID EARLIER IN THE, SHOW, THAT THERE'S TIMES THAT THAT IS ALL YOU HAV HAVE TO ALLEVIATE THAT THREAT FROM THE COMMUNITY.

>>Yunji: READ FEW COMMENTS AND REPRESENTATIVE BELATTI I, LOVE FOR TO RESPOND.

REPRESENTATIVE ELIJAH PIERICK PERHAPS YOU AFTER THAT.

FACT THAT THERE ARE ILLEGAL I AM GRAMENTDS HERE.

NOT WRONG TO FIND THEM AND REMOVE THEM.

IMMIGRANTS.

ONE PERSON.

IMMIGRANT RULES AND REGULATIONS NEE NEED MORE CLARI.

ILLEGAL STILL ILLEGAL.

HOW HOW RESPOND.

>> MY RESPONSE WOULD BE, THAT WE HAVE A BROKEN IMMIGRATION SYSTEM.

AND SO UNDER THE POLICIES OF EVEN JUST RECENT YEAR AGO, WE DID NOT SEE THE KIND OF ACTIVITY THAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IN THE ISLAND ON THE CONTINENT.

WE ARE KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE BEEN PICKED UP HERE, WHO HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS ARE HERE, AND THEY'RE BEING SENT TO DETENTION CENTERS IN OTHER PARTS OF COUNTRY.

THAT WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED A YEAR AGO.

SO I THINK WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES THE QUESTION.

APPLICATION OF THESE POLICIES RIGHT NOW ARE DOING MORE HARM.

SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO AS A STATE LAWMAKERS, IS EXERCISE OR TH AUTHORITY MAKE SURE LAWS ARE PLACE TO PROTBLGHTD OUR PEOPLE HERE.

MANY WAYS.

PROTECT OUR PEOPLE HERE.

LAWS PASSING ARE JUST REINFORCEMENTS WHAT IS EXPECTED UNDER THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION AND THE HAWAII STATE CONSTITUTION.

WE RECOGNIZE AND WANT TO BE EXPLICITMENT JUDICIARY WA WANT WARNING BASED PROBABLY CAUSE WILL ALLOW LAW ENFORCEMENT TO APPROPRIATELY SEARCH APED ENTER AND SEIZE PEOPLE AND SEIZE BAD PEOPLE.

SEARCH AND, NOT TAKING THAT AWAY.

MAKING EXPLICIT THAT IS THE ROOM, THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING IN THIS IT STATE.

THAT IS THE RULE NOT GOING TO ACCEPT, ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANTS.

THAT ARE NOT MEETING STANDARD OF PROBABLE CAUSE.

TO GET THESE REALLY BAD PEO PEOPLE.

THAT'S HOW I THINK I WOULD RESPOND.

REPRESENTATIVE, YOU IDENTIFIED 40,000 ROUGHLY ESTIMATE OF HOPPLE PEOPLE ARE IN HAWAII UNDER DOCUMENTED.

ARE YOU SAYING, PERSON IS SAYING THAT'S NOT WRONG TO FIND THEM AND REMOVE THEM, HAWAII WOULD BE BETTER OFF.

IF THOSE 40,000 FOLKS WERE NOT HERE?

>> EWA BEACH, WAIPAHU AND PEARL CITY, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF IMMIGRANT FAMILIES AND THEIR FAMILIES THAT ARE COOKING DELICIOUS FOOD.

KIDS GOING TO SCHOOL AND ENJOYING SUNDAY WORSHIP.

SOME IN THOSE JIMMY G GAROPPOLOS MIXED DID-GROUPS MIXED UP IMMIGRATION LAWS AND THEY'RE, OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO GO TO PUBLIC LIBRARY, CALL THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT IS MY IMMIGRATION PROCESS ALL LEGAL RIGHT NOW?

THEY DID CAN SELF DISSCHOAS, I'M SO-AND-SO.

WANT TO CHECK AM I LEGALLY SUPPOSED TO BE HERE.

RECEIVE DISCLOSE.

YES GOOD TO GO.

IMMIGRATION POS PRO PO PROCESS WONDERFUL SYSTEMS SOME TRYING TO AVOID THE LAWS AND WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE THAT ARE VOIDING LAWS TO KEEP AVOIDING LAWS.

WE WANT TO BRING THEM TO A COMPASSIONATE JUSTICE SYSTEM.

>>Yunji: DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?

I THINK THAT IN THIS CURRENT CLIMATE, IDEA SOMEONE RAISING THEIR HAND AND SAYING, AM I LEGAL?

AND QUESTIONING THAT, DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE SAFE TO DRAW THAT KIND OF ATTENTION.

>> THAT'S RIGHT EVEN BEFORE THE ADMINISTRATION, IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF FEAR.

IT'S A MATTER OF HOW COMPLEX AND BROKEN OUR IMMIGRATION SYSTEM IS.

IT'S COSTS ABOUT EASILY $10,000 PER ASYLUM CASE AND YOU HAVE TO BE VERY, KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THE LAW AND FIND EXPERT IMMIGRATION ATTORNEYS.

OF WHICH THERE ARE VERY FEW IN P HAWAII.

TO HELP YOU FLOSH NEGOTIATE OUR SYSTEM OF NO LONG EVER EVERYDAYS OF ELLIS ISLAND WHERE YOU WANT TO WORK FAMILY HEALTHY, JUST WANT TO GET IN AND PROVE YOURSELF OF OUR IS YOU TELL IS SO BACKLOGGED AND SO DELAYED TO OUR SYSTEM PROBABLY A REASON THAT 40,000 PEOPLE AT LEAST A THIRD OF THEM AREN'T HEARING BACK ON APPLICATIONS YET OR DON'T KNOW HOW TO FILE.

AND THESE ARE FOLKS, IF IT IS THAT MANY AND THERE IS REALLY VARYING SYSTEM IT'S BETWEEN 30,000 AND POSSIBLY MORE THAN 40,000, PEOPLE OUT OF STAT NOS HAWAII, STATUS IN P HAWAII SOME OF THEM, MANY OF THEM COULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR LEGAL STATUS.

BUT IF THERE ARE THAT MANY, THEN WE ALL KNOW SOME PEOPLE.

WE WORK WITH THEM.

THEY'RE OUR NEIGHBORS PROBABLY OUR COUSINS.

OUR FAMILY MEMBERS.

AND SO IT WILL IMPACT ALL OF US IF WE SUDDENLY TRY TO DEPORT OR NOT ALLOW THESE FOLKS TO STAY.

WE WILL BE SEEING THAT BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS SPENDING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO FOR THE DEPORTATION POLICY.

THEY WANT TO BUILD MORE FEDERAL DETENTION CENTERS IN HAWAII.

POTENTIALLY.

THEY WANT TO DEPORT AND DETAIN MORE.

SO THOSE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THIS IS A CRIME, IT'S REALLY, YOU REALLY HAVE TO DIG DEEPER AND UNDERSTAND THAT OUR SYSTEM IS NOT ALLOWING MORE OF THESE PROCESSES TO MOVE FORWARD QUICK LUNCH AND YOU WI-DIDQUICKLY AND FEEL IMPACTSS EARLY AS THIS YEAR.

>>Yunji: IF WE WERE TO LOSE THAT 40,000, WHO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?

URCHLTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COFFEE FARMERRERS TALKING ABOUT HOME HEALTH CARE WORKERSINGS FOR YOUR KUPUNA.

TALKING ABOUT RESTAURANT OWNERS.

HIGH PERCENTAGE OF CHEFS, RESTAURANT O'R O'RO WORKERS BUSS OWNERS ST STILL WAITING FOR STATUS OUR HOPE TECHNOLOGY APPLY FOR HOPING TO APPLIER FOR STATUS.

TALKING UNCOMUNCOMPANIED MINE MyNa MINOE COUNTRIES BECAUSE PARENTS WERE IN DANGER TARGETED AS POLITICAL, VIOLATORS OR A ISIL PERCY IHARA.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PALI CAL ASSUME EM-POLITICAL ASYLUM SEEKERS.

JOURNALIST HERE WE REPRESENTED WHO FLED SOUTH AMERICA WITH HER DAUGHTER.

BECAUSE THEY WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE BEEN KILLED BECAUSE OF THEIR OUTSPOKEN BROADCASTING.

AND SO ENDED UP IN HAWAII.

AND WE WERE ABLE TO REPRESENT HER.

NOW, IF SHE AND HER TAUGHT YOU DAUGHTERHAD GONE BACK, NO TELLIE WOULD STILL ABLE TO TALK TOO THEM TODAY A LOT OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF PEOPLE.

FROM WE MOSTLY REPRESENT VERY LOW INCOME RESIDENTS OF HAW HAWAII.

BUT THERE ARE ALSO OTHERS WHO ARE CONTRIBUTING IN TEXAS AND CULTURE NO FUNDING.

>>Yunji: IT QUESTION FROM ANN IN MANOA A GIVEN WHAT JUST LAID OUT, THERE ARE HOW DO YOU BALANCE THE STRICT ENFORCEMENT WITH THE ECONOMIC REALITIES OF OUR STATE?

TALKING ABOUT A LARGE POPULATION.

THAT SOUNDS FOR THE MOST PART LIKE THEY'RE WORKING.

PIGGYBACKING ON THAT.

SAYS WHAT IS WHAT IS YOUR DID HE EVER NATION OF COMPASSION BECAUSE THE THINGS YOU ARE SAYING TO DO NOT SEEM TO MATCH THAT TERM.

>> GREAT QUESTION.

SO THERE'S VISION OR THE PICTURE OF COMPASSION.

IMAGINE YOUR FAVORITE AUNTY OR GRANDMA GIVING HUG AND SOMETHING THAT IS WARM, FULINGSZY, LO FUSS I LOVING.

HOMELESS MAN ON STREET NEEDS FOOD.

GO ISSUE HIM FOOD.

COMPASSIONATE NEIGHBOR NEEDING UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE LEGAL SYSTEM AND YOU CAN READ ENGLISH AND YOU CAN, VERBALIZE CONFCONFIDENTLY WITH A LAWYER.

CAN I HELP YOU?

THAT'S ALL COMPASSION.

>>Yunji: WHAT ABOUT THE ECONOMIC REALITIES?

DO YOU WORRY THAT IF YOU SUDDENLY LOSE HOME HEALTH CARE WORKERSER O PEOPLE IN FARMING OR PEOPLE IN RESTAURANT INDUSTRY, THAT THAT COULD HURT US?

>> THERE'S A MULTI MULTIFACETED SITUATION OF OUR ECONOMY.

IT'S NOT JUST THE 40,000 ILLEGAL I AM GRAMS RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE HIGH TAXES.

WE HAVE HIGH CRIME.

WE HAVE HIGH HOMELESSNESS.

THESE ARE ALL FACTORS THAT KIND OF AFFECT OUR ECONOMY.

IT'S NOT JUST WE HAVE TO SOLVE IMMIGRATION ISSUE.

AND THEN ECONOMY GETS BETTER.

OR O TH H 40,000 LAB AND ECONOMY CRASHES.

A LOT OF VARIABLES IN THE EQUATION OF IF ECONOMY.

>> ONE ECONOMIC POINTS.

WHEN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN THEIR POLICIES STARTING TO INCREASE FEES.

FOR DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS COMING THROUGH, ONE OF THE FEE THAT IS THEY WANTED TO INCREASE WAS ON PEOPLE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO ATTRACT HERE AS DOCTORS.

IT UYENO FROM HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS TO TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.

THAT WOULD HAVE DEEP SIX PIPELINE OF DOCTORS THAT WE NEED TO COME INTO THIS STATE.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENED IN THIS FRONT.

BUT I THINK MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOME FLEXIBILITIES AND I'M GLAD THAT THIS CHAOTIC ADMINISTRATION SOMETIMES ANNOUNCES THINGS AND PULLS BACK.

BUT I MEAN, IT'S THOSE KIND OF POLICIES THAT HAVE REAL ECONOMIC IMPACT AND THEN INPACKETED P ON OUR HEALTH CARE.

IMPACT ON OUR HEALTH CARE IF WE CANNOT ATTRACT THOSE KIND OF DR DODGES HEALTH SYSTEMS RELY UPON TEN, 20 DOCTORS.

GOING TO BE COMING IN.

HIGH NEED.

NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NOT JUST HARMING OUR ECONOMY, ALSO HARMING HEALTH OF OUR PEOPLE.

>>Yunji: I WANT TO BRING IN ANOTHER VIEWER.

EMAIL.

FOR REPRESENTATIVE.

RESPECTFULLY SAY TO REPRESENTATIVE BELATTI, AND MISS MMPLET OK WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THE ANGEL FAMILIES SONS A DAUGHTERS VICTIMIZED BY VIOLENT CRIMINALS?

ALLOW DO YOU FINE LEGALITY, STAVE DEPORTATION ALLOWS LAWFUL RE-ENTRY LATER.

IS THAT THE CASE HEAR A LOT ABOUT SELF-DEPORTATION AND HOW ONCE YOU LEASH.

YLEAVE GET RIGHTBACK IN LINE.

>> IF YOU SELF-DEPORT DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL METH PHILANTHROPICAL HIS LIST HAVE A CRIMINAL HISTORY.

MAY STAND A CHANCE TO COME BACK.

COULD BE YEARS THIS NOTION BEING PERPETUATED ON MEDIA NATIONALLY AND BLOGSES THAT A LOT OF THE UNDOCUMENT THE IMMIGRANTS OUT OF STATUS FOLKS ARE VIOLENT CRIMINALS JUST COMPLETELY FALSE.

THERE ARE SOME OF COURSE, JUST LIKE IN ANY DEMOGRAPHIC, BUT THEY REPRESENT LESS THAN 1% OF THE IMMIGRANT POPULATION.

VIOLENT CRIMINALS IN THE U.S.

SO I THINK THERE IS OF COURSE, CONCERN THAT IF THERE WAS SOMEONE DEPORTED BY ICE HERE FOR THE CRIMINAL HISTORY WE WOULDN'T WANT THEM BACK BACK EITHER.

WE DO BELIEVE IN DUE PROCESS.

AND IT IS A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT THAT YOU NEED TO GO BEFORE A JUDGE AND HAVE YOUR CASE HEARD.

YOU CAN'T JUST SAY, THAT PERSON KILLER OR A RAPIST.

I HEARD SO-AND-SO SAID THAT THEY'RE NOT TRUSTWORTHY WE BELIEVE IN DUE PROCESS THAT'S WHAT WE STAND FOR.

JUST A SOVEREIGN DEMOCRATIC RIGHT THAT WE STAND BEHIND.

BY THE WAY, I DON'T KNOW IF I MENTIONED WE'RE NONPARTISAN.

LEGAL CLINIC AND THERE CAMPAIGN FOR IMMIGRANT JUSTICE THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE ON ALL I-POD U SIDES AISLE REALLY BELIEVE IN NEEDS REFORM.

OF OUR IMMIGRATION SYSTEM.

AND WOULD BELIEVE NO DUE PROCESS.

>>Yunji: REPRESENTATIVE BELATTI GIRK YOU AWE GIVE YOU E TO RESPONSE.

ECHO WHAT SHE SAID.

OUR COUNTRY FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS OF, DUE PROCESS, OF MAKING SURE YOU ARE THAT PEOPLE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE IN FRONT OF A JUDGE, IS SOMETHING THAT IS FUL FULL FUNFUNDAMENTAL DON'E ANOTHER INTERNMENT.

HEAR ECHOES OF I INTERNMENT HAPPENING.

BROWN PEOPLE GAITERED AND O THE CONTINENT.

DEPORT THE A MOVED FROM D DETENSION CENTER TO DETEXT MESSAGES CENTER AND DES DECEPTIN ENTER STERP NOT RECEIVED P PAYCHECKERS.

SYSTEMIC SUPPORTED WE DON'T STAND UP AND SAY WHAT IT SING WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE POLICY IN OUR STATE.

JUST CONSISTENT WITH BOTH FEDERAL AND STATE CONSTI CONSTITUTION.

WE'RE ASKING FOR THOSE CONSISTENT POLICIES.

>>Yunji: DIRECTOR, I'M CURIOUS WHEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, DOES COME IN AND DO ICE ENFORCEMENT DO THEY HAVE ANY OBLIGATION TO NOTIFY LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT JUST SO THAT THERE IS NOT CONFUSION, ENDS IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMEONE MASKED AND THEN RE A     T ARRESTING NOT IDENTIFYING LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THEN REST HE ARRESTING SOMEONE.

COULD BE VERY CONFUSING FOR FAMILIES OR COMMUNITY.

>> TYPICALLY, THERE IS NO RULE BUT BECAUSE WE'VE HAD LONGSTANDING RELATIONSHIPS, SOMETIMES WILL PROVIDE A HEADS UP ON IT.

BUT BECAUSE WE DON'T PARTICIPATE, SOMETIMES IT'S JUST BEEN BETTER FOR US NOT TO BE INFORMED BECAUSE THEN WE DON'T GET A ACCUSED OF LEA LEAKING.

WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COMES IN, GIVES COURTESY ANOTHER ANOTHERFICATION, BECAUSE WE'RE THE STATE STANDS ON IT, IF THOSE PEOPLE AREN'T THERE DID WE, DO SOMETHING KIND OF FU FUNNY?

SO FOR ME, I JUST SAY YOU GUYS DO WHAT YOU DO.

AND WE'LL UNDERSTAND BUT YOU HAVE TO BE BADGED.

HAVE TO BE IDENTIFIED.

THERE HAS BEEN SITUATION WHERE HONOLULU POLICE DEPARTMENT SERGEANT CALLED ME AND SAID, HEY, CAN YOU CALL ANYBODY OVER THE A HOMELAND SECURITY BECAUSE THERE WAS A LADY THAT WAS TAKEN FROM CONDOMINIUM COMPLEX AND THEY WEREN'T QUITE CLEAR WHO THAT WAS.

SO ACTUALLY GOING TO REPORT A KIDNAPPING.

FORTUNATELY BECAUSE WE DO HAVE LLONGSTANDING RELATIONSHIPS SO IMPORTANT WE MAINTAIN THOSE.

DON'T LOSE THIS DURING THIS PERIOD.

ABLE TO CALL AND CONFIRM THAT IT WAS THROUGH AN IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.

BUT DEFINITELY, AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE VIDEO WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.

I DON'T KNOW IF JUST BASKETBALLBASKETBALL BANNERS WEO ZOOLSMALL DON'T WANT TO PASS AGT JUDGMENT E'O SCRUMENT ON THOSE AGENT IT'S.

NOT -- PASS JUDGMENT ON THOSE AGENT.

NOT CLEAR WHO HAD TAKEN THAT INDIVIDUAL.

YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO TRY TO FIND BALANCE.

AND SOMETIMES IN TODAY'S KIND OF POLITICAL SPHERE, IT'S LIKE WE'RE TENDS OF ROOM AND I THINK SOMETIMES THAT'S NOT HELPFUL EITHER.

SO WE HAVE TO TRY TO FIND IN THE MIDDLE AND SAY OKAY, WELL, WE GET PRESIDENT IS FEELING THIS WAY.

IN THE STATE FEELING THIS WAY.

SO BETWEEN OUR LOCAL AND FEDERAL AUTHORITIES, HOW DO WE TRY TO FIND COMMON GROUND?

I THINK COME TO THAT.

THERE HAVE BEEN SOME HEAT THE DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN LE LEADERSHP U.S.

SAN SANCTUARY STATE AND NO, NOT BY DEFINITION.

BUT IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE I'VE HAD TO TELL OTHER LEADERS WON'T SAY WHICH AGENCIES, THAT ICE DON'T DO THAT.

DON'T START THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE HAVE GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH DECADES.

AND LETS NOT LOSE IT IN THIS PERIOD WHERE WE'RE ALL UNDER A GREAT DEAL OF STRESS.

I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.

NOT NECESSARILY ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WORK THE FEDERAL AGENTS LOVING, WHAT'S HAPPENING.

ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE LOCAL PEOPLE THAT HAVE TAKEN FEDERAL JOBS AND FOUGHT TO COME BACK FEDERAL AGENTS.

OR PEOPLE THAT HAVE TRAN TRANSFERRED HERE GROWN A LOVE FOR BOY.

CLEAR TO EVERYONE FOR HAWAII.

EVERYBODY HAS A BOSS AND WE DO WHAT WE DO AND IF IT'S IN THE CONFINES OF FEDERAL LAW, THAT ALLOWS THEM TO ACT IF IN THAT WHAT I, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND AGAIN, FOR STATE AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT, THAT WE CANNOT INTERFERE AS LONG AS THEY'RE PLAYING BY THEIR RULES.

THE QUESTION HERE IS THEIR RULES ARE NOT CLEAR EVERYONE.

I THINK THAT IS WHAT THIS DISCUSSION IS ABOUT.

>>Yunji: RIGHT.

SITUATION THAT DIRECTOR LAMBERT DESCRIBEING SOMEBODY TAKEN BY ONE IS NOT IDENTIFIED AT LAW ENFORCEMENT, IT'S NOT CLEAR THAT PERSON IS NOT JUST INDIVIDUAL, IMPERSONATING LAW ENFORCEMENT.

DO YOU THINK THAT IS LAID OUT IN THIS LEGISLATIVE AGENDA WOULD BRING SOME MORE CLARITY TO THAT?

>> I THINK SO.

YES.

THE STEINED TO THAT.

-- DESIGNED TO DO THAT.

ONE CLIENT WE RECENTLY FAMILY I BELIEVE HE'S FROM CHINA, FAMILY HASN'T HEARD FROM HIM IN OVER 200 DAYS.

WHY?

SITTING IN HONOLULU FEDERAL DETENTION CENTER WITH NO MONEY ON HIS BOOKS TO CALL OR NO KNOWLEDGE OF HOW TO CALL OUT.

TO ANOTHER COUNTRY.

FINALLY, FOUND RESIDENTIAL THROUGH US BUT REGULARS THROUGH US THERE MUST BE SO MANY STORIES LIKE THAT.

REALLY TRAGIC.

FOUND REPRESENTATION I AGREE, NEED TO, SUCH A COMPLEX ISSUE LANDSCAPE IS CHANGING ALL THE TIME.

ALWAYS NEW FEDERAL POLICIES.

AND IT'S COMPLICATED FOR EVEN ATTORNEYS, FOR COMMUNITY LEADERS, PASTORS TRYING TO MINISTER TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AN CHURCHES AN LAW ENFORCEMENT IS CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE.

NONE OF US, STEEP LEARNING CURVE FOR ALL OF US.

AND SOME OF BILLS ARE DESIGNED TO PROTECT JUST REINFORCEMENT CIVIL RIGHTS, DUE PROCESS, EXISTING POLICIES, CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AND TAKE THE GUESSWORK OUT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR EXAMPLE.

SO THEY CAN JUST SAY, THIS IS WHAT OUR STATE IS STANDING UP FOR.

WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN HO'OKIPA STATEMENT ASTATE ALOHA STATE.

DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE ARE GOING TO PROTECT VIOLENT CRIMINALS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT ALL CO COST.

DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE INVOLVE LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT IN FEDERAL I AM CONGRATULATIONS ENFORCEMENT.

IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT COMES TO I AM GRTO I AM GRACE YOU HAVE INVOLVED IN SOME SITUATION SITUATION.

IN SOME IMMIGRATION BILLS DESIGN TO DO CLARIFY AND HELP US ALL MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT THE GUESSWORK BE WE'RE ABOUT TO BE, FACED WITH A LOT MORE OF THESE DECISION.

HEAD ON.

WE DEFINITELY GOING TO SEE MORE LAW ENFORCEMENT HERE FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

AND WE'RE POTENTIALLY GOING TO SO MORE PROPOSALS FOR COOPERATIVE AGREEMENTS BETWEEN LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT WITH A LOT OF MONEY THROWN, AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

WE MIGHT EVEN SEE PROPOSALS FOR BUILDING MORE FEDERAL JAILS HERE.

WE HAVE TO BE READY.

AND THIS IS SHORT WINDOW OF TIME TO GET THESE BILL ON BOOKS.

AND FOLLOWING OFTEN LEADS FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT HAVE HEAD START ON THIS.

SO.

>> REPRESENTATIVE WHY WOULDN'T CLARITY IN THAT KIND OF CIRCUMSTANCE BE A GOOD THING?

>> CLARITY IS ALWAYS A GOOD THING.

>> HE WILL WITH, IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY CALLING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, SAYING I THINK MY NEIGHBOR BEEN KIDNAPPED, CERTAINLY, HAVING THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER HAVING TO IDENTIFY, WOULDN'T THAT BE SORT OF STANDARD?

>> FOR SURE.

THEIR VAN SAYING ICE.

THEIR PERSON HAVING TO WORD ICE ON IT.

ALL VERY APPROPRIATE.

>>Yunji: IT THERE'S A QUESTION HERE.

ACTUALLY, ASK ONE OF YOU TO TAKE IT.

BECAUSE YOU TALKED SO MANY ABOUT DIFFERENT WARRANTS.

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JUDICIAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT?

>> COURT THAT ISSUES IT.

IN THE CASE OF JUDICIAL WARRANT, IN FRONT OF A JOHN-JOHN JJUDGEFULL VETTING PR, DETERMINATION, ADMINISTRATIVE JUDGE, THE LEVELS OF EVIDENCE ARE LOWER.

SO IT'S JUST ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT.

CAN BE SIGNED.

SOMETIMES MAYBE NOT EVEN SIGNED.

JUST FLASHED IN FRONT OF A PERSON.

SO THAT DOESN'T MEET THE FULL STANDARD OF DUE PROCESS.

>>Yunji: CAN YOU TAKE THIS ONE.

CALLER FROM MAKIKI.

IS THE STATE PROACTIVELY ASSISTING I ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS TO BECOME LEGAL.

WHAT LIVE WAS SAYING.

RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY, I'M HERE.

CAN YOU HELP ME?

HOW DO I FIGURE OUT HIGH STATUS?

MY STATUS.

WHAT OFFICERS OFFICER AGENCY DO I WILL FREELY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS REACH OUT TO AIRED START THAT PROCESS?

IS THERE A WAY TO IT THAT SAFELY?

>> MAJORITY OF LEGAL ASSISTANCE IS COMING FROM NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS A STATE AGE AGENCY THAT YOU CAN    L CALL, THERE ARE HOTLINES IN THE COMMUNITY.

PROBABLY COUNTY IMMIGRATION SERVICE OSOFFICES.

FOR HAWAII ISLAND AND MAUI.

AN ALSO, HONOLULU.

BUT IN TERMS OF STATE, NOT AN OFFICERS.

NOT AN OFFICE DOING THAT.

THERE ARE RESOURCES FOR IMMIGRANTS BUT NOT NECESSARILY PEOPLE WHO ARE OUT OF STATUS.

JUST FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T SPEAK ENOUGH ENGLISH OR WHO NEED TO BE POINTED TO SOCIAL SERVICE.

ONE OUT OF FIVE HAWAII ROSE DENTS WAS BORN ABROAD.

ROSE RIRRIRNTS.

18 TO 20 PERCENT SEGMENT OF OUR POPULATION.

STATE COULD BE DOING POUR IT HELP THIS DEMOGRAPHIC.

>>Yunji: QUESTION FROM SUSAN.

SAYS, I LIVE IN KAPOLEI.

OUR CRIME RATE IS INCREASING HERE.

DIRECTLY RELATED TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS OR RELATED TO OTHER POPULATIONS IN OUR COMMUNITY?

I WONDER WEST OAHU YOUR TAKE IS ON THIS.

PESPECIFIC TO KAPOLEI I KIND OF DOUBT LEGAL IMMIGRATION IS PRIMARY FACTOR FOR CRIME OTHER FACTORS UNDER STAFFED POLICE, CULTURE AMONGST PEOPLE THAT ISN'T TRYING TO HELP EACH OTHER ALL THE TIME.

SOMETIMES OUTLIER THAT IS DOING THEIR OWN THING AND NOBODY REPORTING IT.

WE NEED TO REPORT AMBASSADOR BEHAVIOR AND -DID BAD BEHAVIOR AND LET THE LAW ENFORCEMENT KNOW ABOUT IT.

BAD POLICIES SEE SOMETHING CALL A POLICE, POLICE COME.

THEY ARREST HIM.

PUT HIM IN JAIL.

JUDGE LETTINGS HIM GO.

WEAK ON CRIME JUDGES SOME SOMETIMES.

APPOINTED BY WEAK ON CRIME GOLFERS.

APPOINTED BY SELECTED BY THE PPOPULOUS THAT IF THEY WANT MORE TOUGHER ON CRIME POLICY, THEY GEGOT TO ELECT MORE TOUGH N CRIME GOVERNOR.

>>Yunji: ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SHE A OUT LAID OUT FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BE DANGLING MONDAYMONEY FOR LOMPLET.

WHAT YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED.

HONOLULU YOU M FOR LOMP LAW ENFORCEMENT.

GIVING AGENCIES LARGE SUMS OF MONEY TO ESSENTIALLY, TURN THEIR OFFICERS NOT ONLY LIKE LET'S SAY HPD OFFICER, NOW YOU ALSO ARE ICE AGENT.

HAVE YOU HEARD OF THAT, DO YOU THINK THAT WILL BE COMING TO HAWAII?

AND CERTAINLY, EVERY MUNICIPALITY CAN USE MORE RESOURCES.

>> SURE.

I WOULDN'T PUT IT PAST FEDERAL ADMINISTRATION.

THAT SEEMS TO KIND OF BE THE THEME.

YOU DO DID WE WANT, AND IN ALIGN WHAT WE WANT AND WILL GO AHEAD AND COMPENSATE YOU TO ACHIEVE THAT MISSION.

I HAVEN'T SEEN IT.

DIRECTLY FOR HAWAII YET.

BUT WE DO RECEIVE A LOT OF FEDERAL SUPPORT.

AGAIN, YOU FOR EXAMPLE THROUGH OUR HIGH INITIATIVE.

HIGH DRUG TRACKING AREA.

DRUG INTERDICTION AND FI FENTANL ISSUES ADDED ON FIREARM.

CONCERNS IF WE A A STATE, DRAW TOO MUCH ATTENTION TO OURSELVES.

WE COULD BE PUT INTO EXACESWEASITUASITUATIONS WHERE L GOVERNMENT MAY PULL CERTAIN ERIN E'O IS INITIATIVES.

SEEN THAT TIME OF BEHAVIOR.

I WANT TO CAUSING THAT AS WE BATTLE, WE FIND BALANCE, AND MAKING SURE MESSAGE IS IN A WAY THAT IS SAYING, WE'RE NOT ATTACKING YOU.

WE'RE JUST PRO PROTECTING OUR PEOPLE.

BECAUSE I THINK WEST OAHU WE'VE SEEN WITH OTHER STATES, THAT REALLY WANT TO GO AT THE PRESIDENT, DOESN'T NECESSARILY END WELL FOR THEM IN REGARDS TO FEDERAL FELLED FUNDING FEDERAL FUNDING STREAMS.>>YunjiP QUESTION TO THE QUESTION THAT I JUST ASKED.

TRUE THAT FEDERAL AGENCIES PROVIDE EXA EXTRA HELP TO LOCAL AGENCIES WITH OPERATION WHEN ASKED.

GIVEN TIGHT BUDGETS WHY NOT CONSIDER HELPING?

IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WERE NO OFFER HAWAII RESOURCE, IN THAT REGARD, WHY TURN THEM DOWN?

>> I THINK TALKING ABOUT WHETHER THERE'S APPROPRIATE M MOUS AND WE'RE NOT SAYING, DON'T DO THOSE TYPE OF MOS GOING AFTER HUMAN TRAFFICKING OR DUG INTERDICTION, SPECIFIC UEMURA CONGRATULATIONS ENFORCEMENT AT THAT -- IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT THAT NOT IN LINE.

WHAT WE BELIEVE IN.

>> TO THAT POINT WHAT WE TRY TO DO BECAUSE PRESIDENT HAS A WIDE VARIETY OF INITIATIVES.

FINLEY FENTANYL AND GUNS ALIGNM.

WE'LL SUPPORT THAT AND HOPING THAT THAT FUNDS STREAM STILL COME IN.

HE ALSO HAS INITIATIVES BEYOND THAT I AGREE WITH.

I DO LIKE SEEING TREATING FENTANYL BASICALLY A AS KILLER.

DON'T PEOPLE REALIZE INTERNATIONAL GOVERNMENTS ARE ACTUALLY TRYING TO DESTABILIZE AMERICA THROUGH DRUGS.

KNOW THEY CAN'T TAKE US ON VIA MILITARY FORCE.

SO WHAT THEY DO POISON O OUR COMMUNITIES WITH DRUGS.

SO AGAIN, WHAT WE TRY TO DO HERE IN THE LOCAL LANDSCAPE IS TRY TO JUST SUPPORT INITIATIVES IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR OWN.

HOW WE SURVIVE.

>>Yunji: STARTED THIS CONVERSATION LOOKING AT WHAT BILLS ARE OUT THERE.

AND I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW, IF YOU THINK THIS PACKAGE WILL MAKE IT THROUGH.

>> YEAH, A LOT OF TR TRACTION.

INITIALLY OVER 30 BILLS THAT LEGISLATORS WERE PROPOSING A IN THAT WASN'T JUST COMING FROM THE CAMPAIGN FOR IMMIGRANT JUSTICE.

THERE WERE SOME BILLS SP SURPRISED TO SEE AND SOME OF THEM HAVEN'T MOVED FORWARD BUT THE MAJORITY THAT WE REALLY CRAFTED AND RESEARCHED ARE STILL A LIVE.

AND WELL.

GROUP OF FILIPINO LEGISLATORS UNDER THE FILIPINO CAUCUS STATE LEDGE SPONSORING AND SUPPORTING NUMBER OF THESE.

I THINK YEAR PART YOU'RE PART F THAT EFFORT.

YEAH, WE'RE HOPEFUL AND SEEING UP WELLING OF SUPPORT.

EACH TIME WE GO TO HERE HE HEARING, USUALLY OVER 100 TESTIFIERS EITHER IN WRITING OR VERBALLY.

IN SUPPORT.

>>Yunji: WHAT'S BEEN YOUR EXPERIENCE?

WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM YOUR CONSTITUENTS.

>> INVOLVED NO HCC R. HAWAII COALITION OF CIVIL RIGHTS.

THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN ALL SECTORS BUSINESS LEADERS, FAITH LEADERS, JUST EVERYDAY PEOPLE WHO REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.

AND WATCHING THESE BILLS.

WHEN I SEE COMMUNITY ORGANIZED LIKE THAT, I FEEL THERE'S A BETTER CHANCE THAT THESE BILLS WILL MAKE IT THROUGH.

WE ARE ONLY TO THE HALFWAY POINT.

STILL AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIND COMMON GROUND.

TO MAKE SURE LANGUAGE IS POLISHED.

SO THAT WE DON'T RUN INTO LAND MINES.

BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE LEAD WITH OUR VALUES.

AND THAT IS WHAT THIS PACKAGE IS ABOUT.

LEADING WITH OUR VALUES.

AS WELL ALOHA STATE.

>>Yunji: ON THE FLIPSIDE, I WOULD IMAGINE FOLKS REACHING OUT TO REPRESENTATIVE BELATTI ARE VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE FOLKS REACH OUT TO YOU.

WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM CONSTITUENTS ON THIS PACKAGE OF BILLS?

>> ACTUALLY NOT A LOT OF CONVERSATION THAT I'M HEARING ON THESE BILLS.

TO MY OFFICER.

IT'S MORE A LOT THE OFFICERS.

OTHER STUFF GAMBLING TAFL TEASMS AND CATS.

>> I'M HEARING SAME THING.

ALREADY HAD THIS SHOW.

>>Yunji: BOTTOM LINE, IF THIS DOES GO THROUGH, WHERE IS THE TEETH?

HOW IS THIS ACTUALLY ENFORCED?

FEDERAL GOVERNMENT RAINS SUPREME COURT.

PRESPREMCY CLAUSE.

CONFLICT BETWEEN FEDERAL LAW "THE STATE WE'RE IN" LAW STATES FEDERAL LAW SUPERSEDES.

STATES.

IN THESE LAWS CONFLICT COULD BE PROBLEMATIC.

I DO THINK THAT WE CAN MEET COMMON GROUND TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T IMPEDE WHAT LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT NEED TO DO AND AGAIN, WE DO NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE FEDERAL CONNECTION.

FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS AUTHORITY AND POWERS THAT HAVE BEEN REALLY SUGGEST FEFUL DPL EO DIMINISHING ORGANIZED CRIME HERE DON'T WANT DO DON'T UAT TOO SHOOT OURSELF IN THE FOOT.

DISALGED OUR RELATIONSHIP AND LOSE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES AS THESE BILLS MOVE FORWARD ONLY LIKE ONE OR TWO FERREIRA GRAPHS THAT I'M HI'IPAKAING WE CAN OVERCOME.

PARAGRAPHS HOPING WARD AVENUE OO VAGUE.

ONE THING LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT STATE SHALL NOT CONTACT FEDERAL AGENT SO SUPPORT, CHECKPOINTS TRAFFIC SOME ITS P IS TOES.

HOPE THEY KIND OF SPECIFY FOR THE PURPOSE OF IT IMMIGRATION.

TRAFFIC STOPS VERY EFFECTIVE TOOL AT OUR AIRPORTS, FOR DRUG INTERDICTION AND OTHER THINGS.

I JUST THINK WE REEL GOT TO LOOK AT THAT TIME AND MAKE SURE IT'S VERY, I GUESS FOCUSED AND CLEAR THAT'S WE DON'T WANT OUR OKAY LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT I AM GRAY ITION, BUT NOT AT THE RISK OF DAMAGING OR THINGS THAT YOU ARE FEDERAL DO THE DOES HE REALLY WELL.

IMMIGRATION.

>>Yunji: WORKING MODE OPPORTUNITIES TO WORK OUT,.

>> WE ARE HEADING TOWARDS, FIRST CROSS OVER.

WE STILL HAVE SECOND CROSSOVER AND THEN WE HAVE CONF CONFERENCE THIS IS WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT.

I REALLY APPRECIATE DIRECTOR.

REALLY APPRECIATE LAW ENFORCEMENT COMING TO THE TABLE.

BECAUSE IT HELPS US UNDERSTAND WE DON'T WANT TO IMPEDE.

WE DON'T WANT TO DO THOSE TYPE OBSTRUCT.

WE DO WILLS WANT TO PROTBLGHT OUR PEOPLE.

>>Yunji: I WONDERED REACH OUT TO VIEWERS WATCHING TONIGHT.

WOULD MAY BE UNDOCUMENTED AND MAY BE SCARED.

WHAT IS YOUR MESSAGE TO PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING OR WHO MAY HAVE SOMEONE UP YOU UNADOPTED INTHEIR HOUSEHOLD.

UNDOWMENTSED IN THEIR HOUSEHOLD.

THANK YOU FOR OFFERING THAT.

UNADADOPTED THERE'S FEAR AND LOOMING THREAT OF INCREASED ENFORCEMENT.

UNDOCUMENTED, FOLKS RESOURCES VACATION RENTAL TOBL THEM IN HAWAII.

AVAILABLE TO THEM IN HAWAII VARIOUS ISLAND IS IS NOT JUST OAHU AND OFTEN, IT'S EITHER VERY AFFORDABLE OR NO COST AT ALL.

TO GET CONSULTATION.

AND IT'S LEGAL SERVICES ARE CONFICAN HAVE CONFIDENTIAL.

WE WOULD SAY THAT, CIVIC PARTICIPATION AND IS VERY IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE GOING OUT, GOING TO SCHOOL.

GOING TO WORK IF YOU CAN.

WE ALSO UNDERSTAND IF FOLKS FIRST NEED TO TIE UP THEIR LEGAL CONCERNS, BEFORE THEY PUT THEMSELVES AT RISK.

SO FEEL FREE TO PICK UP THE PHONE.

IF FOLKS WANT TO LEARN MORE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME TO THE STATE CAPITOL.

ON MARCH 19TH.

IT'S A PEOPLE'S LOBBY DAY.

THERE'S SOME TRAINING.

AND INFORMATION IN THE MOR MORNING.

AND IT WILL GO ON ALL DAY.

SO THAT IS AN OPPOR OPPORTUNITYO LEARN MORE.

AND RCHG, LOTS OF RESOURCES ONLINE.

AS WELL.

OF COURSE,.

>>Yunji: WHAT YOU LAID OUT, WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT, YOU THINK THAT MORE LAW ENFORCEMENT IS COMING?

WHAT MAKES YOU, WHY DO YOU BELIEVE THAT?

>> WELL, MULTIBILLION TRILLION DOLLARS BILL AT THE HE FED FEDL LEVEL WAS PASSED.

KAHIKILI HE CLEARLYDESIGNED TO B BOLSTER DEPORTATION AND, IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.ED A SO WE'RE ALREADY SEEING ANOTHER STATES O REPLACING LONGSTANDING FAIR IMMIGRANT JUDGES IN THE FEDERAL COURTS WITH WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION THEMSELVES ARE CALLING DEPORTATION JUDGES.

IT'S SAN FRANCISCO 14 FEDERAL IMMIGRATION JUDGES.

ONLY FOUR LEFT IN THEY MOVED THEM OUT OF SAN FRANCISCO TO MORE RURAL AREA.

ALL OF THIS IS DESIGNED TO SLOW DOWN THE PROCESS FOR PEOPLE TO ATTAIN LEGAL STATUS.

AS WELL AS SPEED UP THE REMOVAL OF FOLKS WHO WOULD OTHERWISE POTENTIALLY HAVE A CHANCE TO STAY.

SO WE KNOW THAT IS ALSO GOING TO C COME TO HAWAII EVENTUALLY.

WE KNOW THERE'S THREATS OF DEPLOYING NATIONAL GUARD.

POSSIBLY NEW DETENTION CENTERS AND SO WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE OR INSTALL MORE FEAR THAN NECESSARY IN OUR COMMUNITY.

BECAUSE SO FAR, THINGS HAVE BEEN RELATIVELY CALM ALTHOUGH ALTHOUGH THE DETENTIONS AND DEPORTATIONS HAVE DOUBLED WHICH IS VERY CONCERNING.

THE COMMUNITY BEEN RALLYING AND ASKING FOR MORE EYES ON THIS.

>>Yunji: WE JUST HAVE ABOUT 30 SECONDS WILL HE HAVE.

LEAVE WITH YOU THE FINAL THOUGHT.

LEFT.

>> APPRECIATE BEING ON THE SHOW.

THAT'S FOR BEING HERE.

ROBUST DISCUSSION.EL VIEWPOINTS.

APPRECIATE DIVERSITY AND EVERYBODY BEING A ABLE TO TALK AS FELLOW RESIDENTS OF OUR STATE, WANTING TO SOLVE THE ISSUES AND, I THINK BIGGER ISSUE PERHAPS ARE HELPING OUR ECONOMY THRIVE DECREASE CRIME LESS TRACK AND GET THE HOMELESS HOUSED.

>>Yunji: WE'LL LEAVE IT THERE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US TONIGHT.

AND WE THANK OUR GUESTS: REPRESENTATIVE DELLA AU BELLATI AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR BETTINA MOK FROM THE LEGAL CLINIC, AND DIRECTOR MIKE LAMBERT FROM THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND REPRESENTATIVE ELIJAH PIERICK.

NEXT WEEK ON INSIGHTS: HMSA, THE STATE'S LARGEST INSURER, AND HAWAII PACIFIC HEALTH, OWNER OF FOUR MAJOR HOSPITALS ARE LOOKING TO JOIN FORCES.

THE COMPANIES SAY THAT THIS PARTNERSHIP WILL IMPROVE SERVICES AND REDUCE COSTS BUT WHAT DOES THIS PARTNERSHIP REALLY MEAN FOR RESIDENTS?

I'M YUNJI DE NIES FOR INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI‘I.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR PATIENTS AND PROVIDERS.

ANY NEXT TIME.

ALOHA.

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