Home is Here
405 Hawaii Lion Dance Association, Talk Story Bookstore, Hawaiian Pie Company
Season 4 Episode 5 | 27m 55sVideo has Closed Captions
Hawaii Lion Dance Association, Talk Story Bookstore, Hawaiian Pie Company
The Hawaii Lion Dance Association is a nonprofit organization that provides free lion dances as well as instruction into the Chinese martial art of kung fu. Talk Story Bookstore, the only free-standing bookstore on Kaua‘i in the historic town of Hanapēpē. Passion pear, caramel apple and chocolate chess those are just a few of the delectable pie flavors at the Hawaiian Pie Company in Kalihi.
Home is Here
405 Hawaii Lion Dance Association, Talk Story Bookstore, Hawaiian Pie Company
Season 4 Episode 5 | 27m 55sVideo has Closed Captions
The Hawaii Lion Dance Association is a nonprofit organization that provides free lion dances as well as instruction into the Chinese martial art of kung fu. Talk Story Bookstore, the only free-standing bookstore on Kaua‘i in the historic town of Hanapēpē. Passion pear, caramel apple and chocolate chess those are just a few of the delectable pie flavors at the Hawaiian Pie Company in Kalihi.
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A new year brings all sorts of celebrations and customs and for many people, lion dancing is a must have.
As we learn, this ancient tradition is much more than costumes and red envelopes.
(nats lion dance) Brandon Lee / Hawaii Lion Dance Association: When it comes to lion dancing its interpretation and how you present the energy that you're feeling.
You become the lion, you don't, you don't play the lion.
You embody this costume and show the emotions that the lion is feeling.
(nats lion dancing) I'm Brandon Lee.
One of the instructors here at Hawaii Lion Dance Association.
As far as what we do it's supposed to chase away evil spirits, bringing good luck, good fortune.
With lion dancing, I think there's a lot of deeper meaning to it.
You're also telling a story, you're also creating this interpretation of what you want the viewers to see.
There's, several different stories as far as like how lion dancing started.
But the main one that we tend to follow is the nian beast that was would come yearly to the village.
And one point it was terrorizing the village every year.
So the villagers decided one year that they didn't want to be terrorized anymore.
So, they, they made their own costume to mimic this nian.
And basically used that to try and fight it off.
And they realized that it didn't like fire, it didn't like the color red, and didn't like loud noises.
So, every year around the same time, they would always perform and bring out this creature.
So, it would scare it away.
During the Qing Dynasty, that was which was right after the Ming Dynasty was when lion dancing actually became more of a rebellious thing.
A lot of the Ming followers were trying to overthrow the Qing Dynasty and they would use lion dancing as a way of a secret society to pass messages as well as practice their kung fu which they were banished from using.
After the rebellion as, as lion dancing popularized throughout the years, a lot of these kung fu clubs incorporated lion dancing to show off their top martial artists through their lion dancing.
(nats lion dancing) Brandon Lee / Hawaii Lion Dance Association: Lion dancing consists of two people.
So, you got to head player and you got to tail player.
The tail player, basically, you're there to be the support --- primarily, you'll follow the head player where he goes.
And the head player’s job is basically to animate the movement of the eyes, the mouth, and then also to lift the lion head so that they can make certain movements.
With that lion dance and Kung Fu, the main core parts of it is actually going to be like the legwork and the foundation, all your stance training.
Because that's the one part that people see that's not under the lion.
And that helps you to understand balance, teaches you how to do weight transfer to understand how to flow a little bit better.
And know where you can create power, where you generate power, load your power, how do you transfer it.
And also, it helps to communicate with your tail player, because that's your visual cue to them, is that you're doing certain stances, so they're able to follow those stances.
(nats lion dancing) Chez Cantere / Hawaii Lion Dance Association: Hi, my name is Chez Cantere.
I am a member of Hawaii Lion Dance Association.
And I've been with the club for two years now.
When I'm performing in the lion, once I hear the music, it's like something just clicks on, I get very excited.
When I got into Chinese Lion dancing, I kinda understand that the lion brought me here.
So right when I do a performance, I asked the lion, whatever it is you want me to express, just give me the strength to express it through the Chinese Lion Dance.
And once I hear that drum, it's like... (nats lion dancing) Brandon Lee / Hawaii Lion Dance Association: The drummer’s job is to kind of lead the ensemble, but it's also to create the heartbeat.
And the cymbals is there to almost like create the pulse.
And the gong is there to kind of keep the timing of everything to hold everything in.
The drummer's job is also to create the spirit and the energy and as well as the emotion through its sound and music.
The drummer has to communicate with the lion, through its music, through its feel.
How fast he plays, how the volume changes, even the energy.
(nats lion dancing) Chez Cantere / Hawaii Lion Dance Association: Okay, group two.
Same thing.
You kids looking sharp.
So, I have been in charge of helping with teaching the cubbies.
We have our youngest who is about four years old, and they go up to about 12, 13 depending on their size.
To get them to work together is the biggest challenge.
But that's also the biggest reward.
Because once they see the final package of teamwork, it really motivates them to continue the training, continue to practice and continue in just overall developing themselves as human beings and as friends.
Brandon Lee / Hawaii Lion Dance Association: Not everybody's going to have rhythm.
But everybody feels and if you can get that connection creating a moment that they can understand.
I think that's what will draw them in.
And then it's easy for them to just stay on that wavelength, that energy wavelength.
It's hard to it's hard to explain it.
It's just something that you feel.
Sometimes it requires you to dig a little bit deeper and see like, where am I not making this connection?
Versus if you're constantly telling the other person that they're not making the connection.
Where do you guys find the common ground?
So the lessons are, goes pretty deep, if you want it to go if you want it if you're not that at that point, and you can just, you know, enjoy the moment and stuff.
But I think that's where the overall goal that I try to strive for with lion dancing.
Chez Cantere / Hawaii Lion Dance Association: So, what I enjoy about Chinese lion dance is that it gives us adults and children a way to work together, create fellowship, and express ourselves.
You know, throughout the week, we have jobs, we have schools, and this is a way for us to really just let loose, let go and express this spirit that we have within us.
Brandon Lee / Hawaii Lion Dance Association: I think it brings a brings a community together, especially here in Hawaii.
Because Hawaii culturally, it's been adopted to our culture, if you go to the mainland, it's maybe not so much.
Only the people that know about it, but generally people that are raised here, know what lion dancing is, and though being a Chinese cultural dance, we have a lot of non-Chinese that's part of our group.
And at that point, we call it Chinese Lion Dance.
But really, it's lion dance for the people.
(nats lion dancing) Kalaʻi Miller: Hanapēpē is known as Kauaʻi’s biggest little town.
Located on the southwestern side of the island, a short turn off Kaumualiʻi Highway will lead you to streets lined with dozens of shops, housed in pre-World War II buildings.
One of those shops is the only dedicated bookstore on the entire island.
Ed Justus / Talk Story Bookstore Owner: I may be the boss of the store, but Natalie is our CEO, and we always call her the boss.
She lives behind the desk, (bell ringing) and she just takes attention whenever she can get but she does bite the hand that feeds, though.
(instrumental music) Celeste was our original bookstore boss cat.
She was actually my house cat before I started the store in 2004.
When I started the store, I moved her into the space because I didn't have a place to live.
Originally, when I first came to Kauaʻi in 2002, I started selling online on eBay.
I used to go to garage sales and just pick stuff up and resell it online for a living.
When I moved to Hanapēpē in 2004 I got to know a landlord couple, Elsie and Tom Godby, who had the old Shimonishi Orchid and Feed store down the street.
They offered me a space free for a month to start a business and their 900 square foot retail space.
And at the time, I thought, okay, this would be good.
I could get the eBay stuff out of the house and just have a spot where people can shop.
And after that first month, I had made just enough money to either pay the next month's rent on the store or to pay the next month's rent on where I was living.
I didn't really know exactly what I should do.
So, I went over to the Hanapēpe swinging bridge down the street, and I'm looking up at the sky, and I'm just asking myself, what should I do?
Should I should I do this?
Should I go ahead and take this risk?
It means I'm going to be homeless, sleeping in the van?
And as I asked that question, a full double rainbow appears in the sky.
And I said, wow, if that's not a sign, I don't know what is.
Talk Story Bookstore, basically, was all I had.
The store began to make a little bit more money that the landlords offered me a space to rent, to live in, in the apartment above the shop, and so the rest is kind of history.
(instrumental music) Hi, guys.
Welcome to the bookstore.
People love doing treasure hunting.
They come in the store, and they especially love like, the piles of unsorted things that we haven't quite gotten to yet.
And they'll dig around in those boxes, which we try to keep as minimal as possible, because we're trying to price everything.
But I think in a way, because I had the background of selling on eBay, of selling anything and everything, I think the store also allows that possibility to continue.
So in addition to books, we've got vinyl records, we've got comic books, we've got vintage video games, we've got retro old magazines, even vintage cassette tapes.
There's kind of like something for everybody here.
So whatever someone's interest is, we try to find some way to make that section as diverse and interesting as possible for them.
We have a system where people can bring in stuff, they get store credit, and they can use that towards their purchases.
And what we do is we keep what we can, and whatever we don't keep, we're going to donate.
There's a lot of things I'll go through and I'll be like, Oh, this is, well, this isn't really going to move for me, but maybe somebody else will find that interesting.
And then I'll find other stuff.
I'm like, Oh, wow, that's interesting.
Or, oh, that's obscure.
Wow, that's really strange.
I'm definitely going to carry that.
So for us, the more unusual the better.
We've come across a lot of rare books over the years.
It's not our specialty.
We're not antiquarian dealers, but just being in the nature of the book business, we do come across stuff that's, of course, antiques or scarce or hard to find or out of print.
The rarest book we have is a book from 1851 and it's called the James Travelers Companion, and it was written for wealthy East Coast Americans who wanted to go explore the West.
And it's like a tiny little book, but it's got fold out maps of the Ohio River and the Mississippi River, and there just weren't that many of them printed.
So a book like that usually is, like, I don't know, $2,000 right?
So it's pretty I would say that's rare.
(laugh) To me, business is about changing and adapting to whatever happens in the world.
The store has actually kind of modified itself over the years.
One of the biggest changes was when Borders went bankrupt in 2011.
That forced us to then actually start carrying a lot more new books and new releases than we had prior.
With things like Amazon and Kindles and digital reading in general, I haven't found so much that that has decreased sales as it has actually expanded the reading base of people who actually enjoy books.
Then once they really love it, they want an archival copy.
They want that physical copy that they can hold and share with others.
And it's just something about our, I suppose, our visceral nature, that something tangible that we can hold in our hands.
We have a lot of regular customers.
For sure.
Customers have been coming for years and years and years, and it's interesting too, because we get to know them, and sometimes we see them like when they're young kids, and then we see them become adults, and then we see them have their own kids.
And it's just amazing to be in one place for that long.
It's fascinating.
I've never been able to have that kind of experience until I came here.
Hanapēpē is a really unique place in Kauaʻi.
It's one of the few towns that was not built by the plantations, and it was actually a town founded mostly by entrepreneurs in its current form.
This building, for instance, was the old Yoshiyura Store, which was a general market that was established in 1930 and then they moved into they built this building in 1933.
So this building's almost an antique.
I mean, it's just got a few more years, and then it'll cross that 100 year threshold.
(creaking floorboards) Yeah, the building has got a lot of character.
People love the creakiness of the floors.
They love the tall ceilings.
They love that there's areas in the floor which aren't quite square.
You know, there's a little bow here and there, but I think that adds to the character of the space, the character of the store.
And we're grateful to be here.
Our landlord, who was originally Elsie Nishi, the Nishi Family, they're the ones who own this, and it's, we've actually had three different generations of the Nishi Family allow us to continue to be here after all these years.
And yes, we are the Western most bookstore in the United States.
Alaska does go further west than us.
They are actually the northern, eastern and westernmost state in the United States, but there are no bookstores further west in Alaska from this point.
And if somebody opened up one next, just a little further, it's okay.
We just put the original westernmost bookstore.
We do what we can.
(laughs) I have great help.
I have people who have helped me out over the years who are still working here today.
My wife is invaluable.
I mean, she is my inspiration every day.
In fact, the Mochi Celeste cat stickers that you see in the shop, those are based on our former boss cat Celeste.
And those are the hottest items I've ever sold in my life.
Everyone else who's helped me in the shop, they're my inspiration too, because I didn't know anything when I started this store, I knew nothing.
I had no background in business.
I had no background in books or retail.
And if it wasn't for the helping hands and guidance of everyone else around me over the years, they're the reasons we're here.
I've always thought books are a really great thing.
I've always enjoyed being around books.
I wouldn't call myself a bookie, like or a person that's like a book addict, but I've always had a great respect for the printed word, freedom of press, freedom of speech.
And one of the things that I love about selling books is that it's a product that, 99-percent of the time, it makes people happy.
I mean, almost all the transactions, people are just like, Oh, I've been looking for this book everywhere.
This is so great that you have this and it's just amazing to be in a business that makes people feel satisfied and happy.
It's not just fulfilling a basic need.
It's fulfilling something deeper inside them that's feeding who they are.
That's incredible.
You know, it's an honor to be in a business like that.
(instrumental music) Kalaʻi Miller: Whether it’s the holidays, a birthday celebration or just an ordinary night, many consider pie, the quintessential comfort dessert.
And for the family-owned Hawaiian Pie Company, baking is a skill that has been passed down for generations.
Andrew Chun-Hori / Hawaiian Pie Company Operations Manager: I would honestly say that what makes a good pie is the crust, right?
Like, it all starts from there.
That's like the foundation of any, any good pies.
Like, if you have a good crust, you're, you're in a good spot.
My name is Andrew Chun-Hori.
I am the operations manager at the Hawaiian Pie Company.
Fourth generation.
I guess lead baker at the company as well.
Joel Hori / Hawaiian Pie Company Co-Founder: I'm Joel Hori and one of the co-founders of the Hawaiian Pie Company along with my wife, Jan. My grandfather's name was Yoshio Hori.
He's the founder of Holy's Bakery in Kapaʻau.
The military in the area needed bread.
And there was no bake shops or anything around.
I couldn't believe how big it is.
Because you see these pictures right here.
That's a there's a lot of machinery and equipment.
And it's industrial.
And this is back in the 40s you know.
And I don't know how my grandfather did that, but he did.
So my grandfather ordered the packaging on the telephone, is speaking to a American guy.
And he said his last name was Hori.
And he wanted Hori's on top there.
So the guy assume Japanese guys rolled the R, so made it Holy.
And when all everything came in, you know, rather than trying to pack it all up and send it back, he said, well, let's just let's just go with this.
After the order the bread things started dying down, he sold off a lot of the equipment, and then just became a regular bakery for the town of Kohala.
And then he developed this formula for the frozen apple pie.
By that time, we had already moved.
We're living in Michigan I think I was in the fifth grade, I think.
And then he called my dad, told my dad, you know, it's getting kind of busy.
And my grandpa was getting older.
So he said if you could come back and help.
So we did.
I grew up in that bakery working in that bakery.
My dad one day when I was 19, I mean I was going UH Hilo.
But you know, I saw how hard he was working.
He told me hey, thinking about moving to Honoulu, you want to come with me?
I loved diving.
I loved hunting, fishing.
So, all that I was gonna give up.
But then I thought I'd regret it if I didn't go and help him.
So, I came down with him and we had Holy's Bakery Manoa.
It's rough.
You know?
We You need funding and stuff you know for equipment and stuff.
So it is hard to kind of continue.
Andrew Chun-Hori / Hawaiian Pie Company Operations Manager: I didn't really know too much about it going like growing up because a lot of the things that the baking side of my family they were all on the Big Island with Holy's Bakery.
I don't even think Holy's Bakery Mānoa was still around by the time I showed up so for me that was kind of like a lost history that I ended up discovering when we decided to open up again.
Joel Hori / Hawaiian Pie Company Co-Founder: During Christmas times, everybody at the facility would make you know, gift baskets, presents for everybody.
So, I decided let's go make pie.
So that's what we started to do at our house.
We'd be making these passion pear pies.
So, right after Thanksgiving, you know, all my friends from work, so Joel, when are we coming to the house to pick up the pies?
You know, that's all they cared about was coming to pick up the pies at the house, so we figured, they must be enjoying the pies.
So we kind of knew we had something there.
And then after I retired she made the suggestion hey, why don't we open one shop.
So I kind of was hesitant, because then you know how much work it was going be.
But I slept one night and my gramps, he kind of came to me so I was like, I guess this is what we got to do, you know, because but I don't see him a lot, you know?
So, The Hawaiian Pie Company opened in 2014 in December.
Andrew Chun-Hori / Hawaiian Pie Company Operations Manager: Honestly I had I had no thought of baking or being a baker.
Joel Hori / Hawaiian Pie Company Co-Founder: For us, it wasn't a matter of trying to convince him.
It's the relationship he had with his grandpa.
Kind of brought him into the fold.
My dad pretty much hand taught him everything.
I mean, I'm I'm like an elementary school baker and my son's like graduate in the college already because my dad taught him a lot.
And he absorbed it.
Andrew Chun-Hori / Hawaiian Pie Company Operations Manager: Seeing my grandpa in the bakery was like it's seeing him in his element kind of thing.
And I was, you know, it was like, seeing a completely different person from who I grew up with and things like that.
And that was like, it was awesome.
Especially because some of the things that he did were just seemed like second nature to him, even though whenever I would try to follow along and things like that, like, didn't always turn out the same way.
A lot of the original recipes that we started out with when we first opened up were from from Holy's Bakery from my great grandfather and my grandpa and all them.
And I don't know if this was just from all the years that he was baking and things like that.
But he would always write everything down.
Sometimes he would write it down multiple times.
And then sometimes I would check all the times that he wrote down the same recipe, and I would notice that they're never the same.
So that was like the ongoing joke that I had with like, my, my dad and my uncle, like down the line.
I was just like, wait, so which recipe are we using, like, because they're all kind of similar, but they're all kind of different.
Joel Hori / Hawaiian Pie Company Co-Founder: All the recipes for the pies that you see the Mānoa Valley signature on top.
That's pretty much stuff that my dad created.
And then after that, the passion pear and the caramel apple were also created in our house.
Andrew Chun-Hori / Hawaiian Pie Company Operations Manager: Our best selling pie I would have to say it would be the Hawaiian Passion Pear.
For me, that was the one that kind of blew me away.
That was one of the recipes that my my mom and my dad came up with before we even opened the bakery.
That was the one that kind of like, opened my eyes to like, wow, you can really get some some crazy flavors going on inside of a pie.
So that that one always has like a special place in my heart as like my favorite.
There's a lot that are creeping up there.
But you know, like, it's never going to dethrone it yet.
Not yet at least.
Maybe I can make something but we'll see.
Joel Hori / Hawaiian Pie Company Co-Founder: There's so much trial and error, you know, per pie that you make, that it can be a little bit tiresome to try to come up with a new flavor.
My son, he's he's been amazing at finding and, and manipulating different flavors.
Andrew Chun-Hori / Hawaiian Pie Company Operations Manager: Pretty much my entire immediate family has some some role in this whole business.
Even though my my two siblings, they have their own jobs and things like that they find time to help out wherever they can.
Joel Hori / Hawaiian Pie Company Co-Founder: To do an endeavor like this, it has to have love inside, I mean, my wife, my daughter, my oldest boy, my son in law, everybody's in there.
We're not forcing anybody here.
Andrew Chun-Hori / Hawaiian Pie Company Operations Manager: Initially, I didn't know what I was gonna get out of it, I thought maybe, you know, just going over there, physical labor, you know, help out the family, things like that.
And as I started to work, and work with my family and things like that, I started to, you know, develop that connection with them with what we're doing.
And I started to kind of have a different outlook on things.
I looked at a lot of the things that we're doing, and, you know, I would realize that this is, this is stuff that shoot, my great grandfather, kind of started up.
And here I am today, what, 50, 60 years down the road, and I'm kind of, you know, following in those footsteps, and I'm being led down that path by, you know, my grandpa, and my dad and my uncle.
And these are all things that were made possible by, you know, my mom and my dad making this making this space.
Not necessarily for me, but just making this space available.
Joel Hori / Hawaiian Pie Company Co-Founder: We having fun, you know, while we're here, everybody that, get comes in here is becomes family.
Most of the workers here is like my good brothers that I knew growing up, and they retired.
They got nothing to do.
So hey, I'll come hang out with you.
Okay.
Sure.
Come on over.
So we got to retirees in here and then we get young kids from high school coming in.
And so they got all bunch of uncles in the back helping them out.
So this really is a labor of love this shop.
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A hui hou.
Chez Cantere: It's a back-and-forth communication to where sometimes, as the performer in the lion, I'll give certain gestures, and the drum will play a certain beat.
Sometimes the drum will play a certain beat, and I will have to do a certain gesture.
So, it's a back-and-forth flow that almost becomes a game for the kids.
So, they really get in tune with it.
It’s, it really catches their attention, so it’s much easier to teach.
Ed Justus: Natalie rings the bell for treats.
So, we're in the middle of a transaction, and we hear ding, ding, ding, and we're like, okay, all right, here you go.
She eats a few, rings some more, goes back to sleep for the next six hours.
It's hard being the boss.
Joel Hori: Pretty much our product, guys would buy it, take it to a party.
The guy who bought it, it's familiar with it.
Seven other guys eat a piece of the pie and they go, Hey, where you got that from and then we've got seven new customers now.
The Hawaiʻi people you know, they'll read it, and they'll kind of be a little bit interested but if they hear it directly from somebody, Oh, braddah, I went this place oh was so ono the food.
You gotta go over there.
You gonna go right pretty much because you trust that guy's palette.