TALKS ABOUT BUILDING A NEW JAIL ON OAHU HAVE BEEN HAPPENING FOR MORE THAN A DECADE AND THERE'S STILL NO CLEAR PATH FORWARD.

THIS YEAR'S STATE BUDGET INCLUDES $30 MILLION JUST TO COMPLETE THE PLANNING OF A NEW FACILITY, THAT COULD NOW COST AN ESTIMATED $1 BILLION TO BUILD.

SOME SAY THE FOCUS SHOULD INSTEAD BE PLACED ON REFORMING OUR PRISON SYSTEM AND REHABILITATION.

TONIGHT'S LIVE BROADCAST AND LIVESTREAM OF INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI'I START NOW.

♪ ♪ ALOHA AND WELCOME TO INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAII.

I'M YUNJI DE NIES.

THE OAHU COMMUNITY CORRECTIONAL CENTER OR OCCC WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT IN 1916.

THE BUILDINGS YOU SEE TODAY WERE REMODELED IN THE 70S.

IT WAS DESIGNED FOR A CAPACITY OF 628 BEDS, WITH THE OPERATIONAL CAPACITY OF ABOUT 950, BUT IN YEARS PAST, THE POPULATION HAS SWELLED TO AS HIGH AS 1,400 INMATES.

THE KALIHI FACILITY IS CRUMBLING, BOTH INSIDE AND OUT.

MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN STATE FUNDING HAS ALREADY BEEN SPENT TO PLAN FOR A NEW JAIL IN HALAWA.

ANOTHER $30 MILLION HAS BEEN ALLOCATED IN THIS YEAR'S STATE BUDGET TO CONTINUE PLANNING AND DESIGNING.

TONIGHT'S PANEL WILL GIVE US A PROGRESS REPORT.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR PARTICIPATION IN TONIGHT'S SHOW.

YOU CAN EMAIL OR CALL IN YOUR QUESTIONS.

AND YOU'LL FIND A LIVE STREAM OF THIS PROGRAM AT PBSHAWAII.ORG AND THE PBS HAWAII YOUTUBE PAGE.

NOW, TO OUR GUESTS.

JOHN SCHELL IS THE WARDEN AT THE OAHU COMMUNITY CORRECTIONAL CENTER.

HE'S HELD THE POSITION SINCE 2023 AND HAS MORE THAN 20 YEARS IN THE CORRECTIONS AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE FIELD.

HE STARTED HIS CAREER AS A CORRECTIONS OFFICER AT THE OREGON DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS.

REPRESENTATIVE DELLA AU BELATTII REPRESENTS DISTRICT 26 WHICH COVERS MAKIKI AND PUNCHBOWL.

SHE WAS FIRST ELECTED TO THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES IN 2006 AND IS CURRENTLY THE CHAIR OF THE HOUSE COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY.

KEKE WALKER IS A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER AND GRANT WRITER AND HAS BEEN A PART OF THE REIMAGINING PUBLIC SAFETY IN HAWAII COALITION SINCE 2024.

SHE FOCUSES ON HARM REDUCTION, DISABILITY JUSTICE AND HOLISTIC WELLNESS THROUGH COMMUNITY OUTREACH.

AND CHRISTIN JOHNSON IS THE OVERSIGHT COORDINATOR FOR THE HAWAII CORRECTIONAL SYSTEMS OVERSIGHT COMMISSION.

THE FIVE-MEMBER INDEPENDENT COMMISSION WAS CREATED BY THE STATE LEGISLATURE IN 2019 TO HELP IMPROVE OUR CORRECTIONS SYSTEM.

THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HEREN TONIGHT.

VERY IMPORTANT P TOPIC AND ONE THAT WE ALL HAVE A STAKE IN I WANT TO START WITH YOU.

JUST BASICS.

FOR FOLKS NOT FAMILIAR WITH EOC, IF TYPICALLY, WHO EXACTLY IS HOUSED THERE.

>> JAIL HOUSES PRETRIAL.

IT SENTENCE MISDEMEANORS AND OUR POPULATION IS VERY MUCH IN TRANSITION ALL THE TIME.

EL AVERAGE STAY IS PROBABLY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 6 WEEKS AND TWO MONTHS.

SO WE GET PEOPLE IN, WE GET PEOPLE OUT.

WE FOCUS ON MOSTLY TRYING TO TRIAGE WHAT THINGS IT THEY DID COME IN WITH PROBLEMS AND THEN TRYING TO HELP THEM SOLVE THEM IN WE CAN DO IT IN THE SHORT TERM.

WE ARE NOT THERE TO PROVIDE LONGTERM CARE.

WHAT WE HOPE TO DO THERE IS TO CONNECT THEM WITH SERVICES, EITHER BACK IN THE COMMUNITY IF THEY GO BACK IN, OR TO CONNECTS THEM IF THEY CONTINUE ON THROUGH THE JUSTICE SYSTEM.

SO THAT THEY CAN GET THE TREATMENTS THAT THEY NEED LATER ON.

WHAT WE TRY TO FOCUS ON THERE IS MORE LIKE TRIAGE THEN, TREAT WHAT WE CAN IMMEDIATELY DO, AND THEN MOVE THEM FORWARD TO GET THEM SERVICE AS THEY MOVE ON.

>>Yunji: WE MENTIONED THAT IT CAPACITY ISSUE.

OFF THE TOP.

CURIOUS AS TO HOW MANY INMATES ARE THERE RIGHT NOW.

>> CURRENTLY FACILITY, WE HAVE 920 AS OF THIS MORNING.

OF THOSE, APPROXIMATELY 150, 175 ARE FURLOUGH INMATES.

SO THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY BEEN SENTENCED GONE TO PRISON.

THEY'VE BEEN IN PRISON AND NOW, THEY ARE AT THE END OF THEIR CYCLE.

AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS WE BRING THEM TO THE FURLOUGH CENTER SO THAT WE CAN GET THEM BACK OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, CONNECT THEM WITH JOBS, HELP THEM GET CONNECTED WITH SERVICES.

THEY'RE ONLY THERE IN A SENSE PART-TIME.

BECAUSE THEY'RE OUT RELEASED TO GO TO WORK AND DO THINGS IN IT THE COMMUNITY.

AND COME BACK AT NIGHT.

THAT'S WHERE THEY STAY UNTIL THEY FINISH THEIR SENTENCES.

>>Yunji: REPRESENTATIVE BELATTI, HOW DO YOU FEEL OCCC IS WORKING?

GIVEN THE CAPACITY CONSTRAINTS THAT WE TALK ABOUT AND THE SERVICE WARNED IS LAYING OUT TRYING TO HELP THESE FOLKS TRANSITION PERHAPS TO ANOTHER SYSTEM.

WARDEN) DO YOU THINK A OCCC IS SERVING PROPERLY?

>> I THINK WE HAVE STAFF WORKING THE BEST THAT THEY CAN.

WITH FACILITIES THAT ARE EXTREMELY CHALLENGE.

AND RUN DOWN.

AND THAT WE NEED TO BE DOING MORE TO INVEST IN BOTH MAINTAINING FACILITIES BUILDING NEW FACILITIES AND RUNNING INVESTING IN THE SERVICES THAT WILL HELP CONNECT THESE INDIVIDUALS.

IN INMATES TO COMMUNITY.

>>Yunji: $25 MILLION APPROXIMATELY BUT STATE MONEY HAS ALREADY BEEN SPENT ON THIS SORT OF PLANNING PROCESS.

ANOTHER $30 MILLION PUT IN THE BUDGET FOR MORE PLANNING.

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE RATE OF PROGRESS ON THIS PROJECT?

>> I ACTUALLY KIND OF WANTED TO TURN TO JOHN.

BECAUSE HE WILL KNOW.

MY COLLEAGUE, I'M NEW TO CHAIRMAN SHIP.

REALLY TOOK THIS SESSION TO LISTEN TO UNDERSTAND BUDGET REQUEST, COMING FROM THE DEPARTMENT, AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS HAPPENING IN THE COMMUNITY IS PEOPLE ARE FRAMING IT EITHER/OR.

WE EITHER INVEST IN NEW FACILITIES OR WE PUT MORE MONEY INTO RE-ENTRY SERVICE.

MY POSITION WE HAVE TO BOTH.

PARALLEL FUNDING PROCESS.

AND WHAT GETS LOST IN THE CONVERSATION IS YES, WHICH DID PUT $15 MILLION FOR CONTINUED DESIGN AND FOR THE OCCC.

FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR.

ANOTHER $15 MILLION.

MY HOPE IS THAT DAGS AND GORND WOOD ARE GOING TO USE THAT MONEY WISELY A LOT OF WAYS CREEP FUND-DINNER CIP FUNDS ARE DIFFERENT.

PUT IN $4 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR 2026 AND $4 MILLION DIFFERENTLY IN 2027 FOR REEN INTEREST I SERVICE.

ADDITIONALLY JUNIOR GETS LOST IN THE CONVERSATION UNFORTUNATE THEY'RE NOT INVESTING IN REASONABLE TRI.

WE ARE.

RE-ENTRY.

DOING BOTH AND THAT WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

WE NEED TO DO BOTH WITH THE PRESSURES RESOURCES THAT WE.

P PRECIOUS RESOURCE.

>>Yunji: WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS?

INVEST ENOUGH INTO THOSE OTHER SERVICES THAT REPRESENTATIVE IS TALKING ABOUT?

>> JUST HAVING WORKED IN SOCIAL SERVICED A CARE SERVICER GOT TEN YEARS 234 YEARN HAWAII I CAN'T SAY THAT'S TRUE.

I THINK THERE'S A LACK OF EITHER IN COMMUNICATIONER OR JUST A LACK OF FUNDING THAT IS GOING TO SERVICE PROVIDERS AND I KNOW JOHN WE HAD SPOKE ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT BEFORE.

BUT THERE'S KIND OF DIP IN WHERE PEOPLE ARE NOT ACCESSING ALL OUSTED RE-ENTRY SERVICES THAT THEY CAN BE R ROW ACCESSING ISN'T ENOUGH INCOME FOR PEOPLE WORKING IN THE FIELD ISN'T ENOUGH INCOME GOING SERVICE PROVIDERS IN GENERAL.

WHERE STANCE IS THAT WE DO AGREE WITH MAYBE DOOR DUAL FUNDING PROCESS MORE FUNDS PUT IN COMMUNITY CARE AND ALSO, IMPROVING CONDITIONS THAT ARE EXISTING RIGHT NOW.

FOR INMATES.

>>Yunji: GET TO YOU.

WHERE ARE WE IN THIS PLANNING PROCESS?

IT GIVEN ALL THE RESOURCES THAT HAVE BEEN INVESTED ALREADY.

WE UNDERSTAND THIS PROJECT CAN COST A BILLION DOLLARS FOR A FULLY NEW FACILITY.

LOOK AT THE MONEY 25 MILLION INVESTED, $30 MILLION ON DECK, SORT OF HOW ARE WE MOVING ALONG.

>> >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT THAT WE REALLY FOCUS ON JOHN AS FAR AS PLANNING PROCESS GOES.

ONE PIECE THAT I WILL SAY IS THAT HAVING THIS CONVERSATION, ONE THING INTERESTING TO ME USUALLY TALK ABOUT COMMUNITY OR JAIL.

COMMUNITY OR JAIL.

AROUND REP'S POINT I ALSO THINK IT HEED I NEED TO BE BOTH.

ONE THING WE KNOW NEED TO TALK ABOUT MORE BRINGING COMMUNITY INTO THE JAIL.

WE NEED TO BRING THESE PROVIDERS INTO THE FACILITIES AND WELCOME THEM WITH OPEN ARMS SO THAT IT RELIEVES STAFF OF HAVING TO DO MENTAL HEALTH WORK THAT THEY'RE NOT PREPARED OR TRAINED TO DO.

AND IT REALLY ADDS IN A CONTINUUM OF CARE SO PEOPLE ARE EXITING THEY ALREADY KNOW PROVIDERS.

THEY ALREADY KNOW WHERE GO.

THEY ALREADY KNOW WHO DO TALK TO BECAUSE THEY MET THEM IN THE FACILITY.

STARTED WORKING WITH THEM IN THE FACILITY.

I THINK THERE IS MULTIFACETED APPROACHES TO THIS.

THAT IS THE ONE POINT THAT I WANTED TO SHARE.

>>Yunji: JOHN, COMING BACK TO YOU.

COME BACK TO YOU.

WHERE DO YOU THINK WE ARE IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY BEING ABLE TO REALIZE HAVING A NEW FACILITY?

>> WELL, I THINK THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY MAKE PROGRESS ON THIS.

WE HAVE SITE SELECTION BEEN DONE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STASTATE US.

WHAT YOU HAVE TO STATEMENTS YOU HAVE UNDERSTAND ABOUT NEWCOMBE FACILITY MAJOR PROJECT LIKE.

ICU FACILITY) WHAT A LOT OF HAS, HAPPENS BEFORE YOU EVER MOVE A SHOVEL FULL OF DIRT.

PERMITTING YOU HAVE REQUEST FOR, QUALIFICATIONS FOR YOUR PEOPLE WHO ARE GOI GOING BUILD .

REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BUILD IT.

WE HAVE TO HAVE OUR ILLEGAL PEOPLE LOOK AT IT MAKE SURE IT'S GOING TO MEET OUR NEED AND ACTUALLY GOING TO GET THE PRODUCT THAT WE NEED.

VERY IMPORTANT TO ME THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THIS KIND OF MONEY, WE ACTUALLY GET THE PRODUCT THAT WE ARE PAYING FOR.

WE ARE GOING TO GET WHAT WORKS.

WE DON'T WANT TO JUST THROW MONEY AWAY.

WE WANT THIS TO BE MONEY THAT IS WELL SPENT.

>>Yunji: IN THE MEANTIME, WHAT ARE THOSE CONDITIONS LIKE?

MADE REFERENCE AT THE TOP OF JUST ABOUT THE AGE OF THE FACILITY ITSELF.

RENOVATED THE 1970S QUITE A LONG TIME ACT U AG.

LONG TIME AGO.

RIGHT NOW TAKE MILLIONS TO GET THE FACILITY BACK UP TO WHERE IT IS IN GOOD SHAPE.

IT'S OLD.

WE HAVE PROBLEM, WITH ROOFING.

WE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH CELLS.

WE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH FENCING.

VIRTUALLY ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN THINK OF, WE HAVE RATS.

WE HAVE ALL KIND OF PROBLEMS IN THIS PLACE.

THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

THAT IS MONEY THAT NEEDS TO BE SPENT IF WE'RE GOING TO STAY IN THAT PLACE, EVEN IF WE GOT IT UP TO ITS SHINY TIP TOPPEN CONDITION NOT GOING TO MEET OUR NEED HASES DESIGN OF THIS FACILITY DOES NOT MEET NEEDS MODERN CORRECTIONAL FACILITY.

FLOOR LAYOUTS IN IT HAVE BLIND SPOTS.

PUT PEOPLE THE A RISK WHEN THEY COME IN BECAUSE OF THE OFFICERS, DOESN'T MATTER THAT YOU HAVE TWO OF THEM STANDING THERE, WATCHING THE FLOOR, THEY CAN'T SEE EVERYWHERE ALL AT ONCE.

IMPOSSIBLE TO THE WAY THE PLACE IS DISIENLD.

IT'S INEFFICIENT.

IF YOU WAYS DESIGNED HAVE TO MORE STAFF TO OPEN THE PLACE UP THAN WE CAN KEEP HIRED RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT NOW AT OCCC LAST NUMBER THAT I GOT IF HE E'O FIRST MONTH WE WERE 100 POSITIONS SHORT FOR OFFICERS.

OUT OF 13 POSITION I BELIEVE IS MY NUMBER.

413 QUARTER OF MY STAFF ARE NOT THERE.

WHEN YOU HAVE THAIP U TYPE OF PROBLEM FILLING POSITIONS AND IT'S BEEN THAT FOR 2 YEARS.

SIRCHES SINCE ISLAN IVAN BE I'V.

NOT GETTING PEOPLE.

RECRUITING ALL THE TIME.

NOT GETTING PEOPLE DESIGN NEW FACILITY RUN MORE EFFICIENTLY WITH BETTER VIEW SO WE CAN DO MORE WITH LESS STAFF, NOBODY LOSES THEIR JOB.

BUT WE COULD ACTUALLY DO THE JOB THAT WE NEED TO IT DO.

RIGHT NEED TO DO RIGHT NOW HARD TO GET A ENGLISHED WHEN ACD WHEN YOU'RE THAT SHORT.

>> BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID WANTING TO DO MORE WITH LESS STAFF, DOES IT MAKE SINCE WE'RE BUILDING EVEN BIGGER FACILITY NOT MEETING NEEDS OF ONE IS.

>> GREAT QUESTION.

THAT IS A CONCERN UNTIL YOU START TO THINK BY DESIGNING FACILITIES, AND HAVING TECHNOLOGY IN THE FACILITY, LIKE WORKING CAMERA SYSTEM, LIKE HAVING PLACES WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY WATCH THE ENTIRE FLOOR, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SUPERVISE MORE PEOPLE AND KEEP IT SAFER WITH FEWER STAFF THAN WHAT WE HAVE BUDGET THE RIGHT NOW.

IT AS I SAID STILLER GOING TO TAKE 320 GUARDS TO RUN THE PLACE.

>> ALSO THINKING OF WHAT TOMMY JOHNSON, CURRENT DIRECTOR, 87% OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN OCCC COULD BE RELEASED.

BECAUSE THEY'RE THERE FOR NONVIOLENT OFFENSES AND COULD BE ON SUPERVISED RELEASE.

THIS TURNS SYSTEM ISSUE.

SOMETHING YOU CAN'T CROW.

ADDRESSES OVE OVERCROWD IT'S DOE NEED BETTER SCRA JAIL OR BETTER FACILITY.

>>Yunji: TELL US YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ON THAT.

BECOMES ALMOST ANOTHER PROGRAM IN AND OF ITSELF.

WHOLE IDEA HO HOW WE PRESIDENTIAL PEOPLE AND PUN ERIN PEOPLE WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE TO OCCC TO BEGIN WITH.

HOW WE PUNISH PEOPLE.

>> A LOT OF WOULD.

TON ANY TRYING TO WORK DONE TRYING TO ARE DO PRETRIAL DID I ERGS HAVE.

TOD CELEBRATED SIGNING CHIEWNTS COURT.

WOMEN'S.

WE ARE WORKING IN THOSE AREAS DO MORE ENTRY COMMUNITY-BASED SERVICE COMMUNITY COURT BUT WE STILL UNITED NEED A FACILITY KEEP COCOMING BACK TO THIS IT'S NOT EITHER/OR IT'S BOTH I THINK WITH RESPECT TO, NOT HAVING CONTROL,EL THAT'S REALLY BIG DEALISM ACTUALLY THINK THAT THIS IS NOT TO BUILD OUT COMMUNITY-BASED OTHER SERVICE IS NOT JUST AN ISSUE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS AND REHABILITATION.

WE NEED TO ASK OURSELVES WHAT IS THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTHER STANDING UP IN THEIR SERVICE PROGRAMS IN THEIR IT MENTAL HEALTH SERVICE PROGRAMS.

>> IN THEIR SUBSIDY SERVICE PROGRAM IN THE COMMUNITY.

BECAUSE THE PEOPLE FLOWING NO THAT PRETRIAL DETAINEE.

EXACTLYTHE PEOPLE YOU DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER IF THE COURTINGS DO NOT HAVE PROGRAMS THAT ARE STAFFED BY DOH OR CONTRACTED BY DOH WITH THE COMMUNITY, THAT IS NOT DCR'S PROBLEM I BELIEVE THAT GARNER, HE IS COMMITTED TO REALLY MEALGT SERVICES, YOU MENTAL HEALTH SERVICESES TALKED ABOUT THAT POINT OF HIS KAUHALE INITIAL I HAVE.

REAL COLLABORATION PROBLEM WE'RE NOT EVEN STARTED ABOUT TALKING TO WITH THE STATE HOSPITAL.

PROBLEM WITH THE STATE HOSPITAL P CYCLE PEOPLE FROM MOVING FROM DRAILS PRISONS TO STATE HOSPITAL TO COMMUNITY.

FROM JAILS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE KINDS OF PROGS HE PROGRAMS BY ADULT MENTAL HEALTH POSITION.

OUTSIDE OF THAT, ISN'T ENOUGH RESOURCES AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE IN COMMUNITY.

CONTINUE TO SEE THIS CYCLE AROUND MIGHT BE ABOUT END OF BUILDING SUPER-JAIL WHICH IS NOT IDEAL.

BUT IN TEN YEARS SEE THE SAME ISSUES.

BECAUSE WHAT WE FEED ADDRESS IS COMMUNITY CARE HAPPENING.

WE NEED TO ADDRESS MORE MONEY NEEDS TO PUT IN THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SYSTEM.

NEEDS TO BE MORE RESOURCES OBLIGATED FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO GROW FAMILIAR THEORIES AND THEORY FAO AND COMMUNITY.

>> CHALLENGE YOU.

IT CHAIR OF THE HEALTH COMMITTEE BEFORE THIS.

ACTUALLY SYSTEMATICALLY BEEN INVESTING MORE AND MORE IN COMMUNITY-BASED SERVICE.

MY QUESTION IS WHY AREN'T WE SEEING THOSE PROGRAMS OUT THERE?

SOME OF IT HAS DO WITH UNDERSTAFFING ACROSS THE COMMUNITY.

WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH NURSES, DOCTORS, SOCIAL WORKERS THROUGHOUT THE SYSTEM.

BUT THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.

I THINK THERE'S A LACK OF COLLABORATION THAT WE NEED TO REALLY KEEP PUSHING ON.

>> ALSO, A LOT OF THE SERVICE PROVIDERS AND COMMUNITY ARE NONPROFITS.

SO SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT DEPENDENT ON SAME TYPES OF FUNDS.

AND WHEN I ALSO THINK OF LIKE FOLKS THAT ARE ET GOING ENGAGED IN SOCIAL WORK OR MAYBE 24E MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL, LOOK FORWARD IN CAREER PATH RIGHT NOW GET HIRED CASE MANAGER SOME OF THESE AWLGTD AGENCY IT'S GET ELY PEOPLE 14 TO $16.

TO YOUR MASTER PROGRAM AND SPENDING ALL OF THIS MONEY FOR SCHOOL, YOU WANT IT FORWARD TO THAT INCOME ANT C CURRENT REALLY THINK HOW IS THIS GOING TO SUPPORT MY FAMILY.

SUPPORT ME.

PEOPLE MOVE OFF ISLAND.

ALSO.

I THINK WHERE GAP IS.

WE NEED TO HAVE A LIVING WAGE AVAILABLE FOR MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS TO ENTICE THEM TO BE IN THE FIELD.

>>Yunji: DEEP SYSTEMIC.

ISSUES.

GET BACK AND GET PERSPECTIVE.

TO SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS AND SORT OF YOUR PERSPECTIVE WHAT YOU HEARD SO FAR.

QUESTION HERE WHY NOT BUILD OCCC PROPERTYED I NUI ANOTHER SITE CHOSEN.

CENTRALLY LOCATED ANYMORE PACT STATEMENT NEEDED.

WHY IS CURRENT SITE NOT APPROPRIATE.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ANY ISSUE WITH THE CURRENT SITE CHOSEN HALAWA STATE PROPERTY.

GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS FOR YEARS AT THIS POINT OF VIEW.

OF GETTING ALL OF THE DIFFERENT APPROVAL OVERING.

I DOEN THINK.

>> EXISTING SITE.

>>Yunji: OCCC SITE.

WHY NOT JUST, THIS IS SAYING WHY NOT EXPAND THE EXISTING.

>> MY QUESTION WOULD BE P ON THAT, I'M SORRY I DON'T MEAN TO STEAL YOUR QUESTION.

IF I'M GOING TO BUILD A NEW FACILITY, ON THAT SITE, WHAT AM I BEING TO DO WITH THE PEOPLE WHILE FACILITY IS BEING BUILT?

>>Yunji: FAIR POINT.

>> YOU CAN'T TEAR DOWN CURRENTLY EXISTS CHES AND IT'S THE STUCK RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF KALIHI.

WHICH IS REALLY DENSELY BUILT UP ANY WAY.

IT TAKES TWO IT CAN YEARS TWO-AND-A-HALF YEARS TO BUILD A FACILITY.

WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME PLACE TO HOUSE THOSE PEOPLE DURING THE TIME.

>> IF I COULD GO AEG BACK TO SOMETHING JOHN SAID EARLIER YOU HAD MENTIONED IMPORTANT TO HAVE FACILITY WITH THE CAMERAS AND EVERYTHING.

SO YOU CAN POTENTIALLY HAVE LESS STAFF.

ONE THING WA WANT TO MAKE CLEAR.

COMMISSION'S POSITION IS THAT WE'RE NOT AGAINST NEW JAIL.

IN JANUARY, WE DID SOCIAL DISTANCE FOR A PAUSE UNTIL WE CAN SEE SOME TYPE OF BETTER SYSTEMIC PLAN TO BETTER IMPLEMENT ALL THESE DIFFERENT SERVICES THAT WE KEEP HEARING ABOUT.

WE DON'T KNOW IF NEW BUILDING BY ITSELF IS GOING TO SUDDENLY FIX SYSTEM.

THAT WHAT'S WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.

ONE THING WE MENTIONED ABOUT STAFFING, THE COMMISSION TAKES ISSUE WITH, IS THAT YOU CAN REPLACE FACE-TO-FACE INTERACTION WITH A CAMERA.

AND SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SUPER-VISION MAKE IT CLEAR AUDIENCE DIRECT SUPERVISION HAVE OFFICERS ON THE FLOOR 24-7, IN THAT UNIT 24-7 WITH PEOPLE IN CUSTODY, AND THE THEN YOU HAVE INDIRECT SUPERVISION WHERE INTERMITTENTLY SOMEBODY MIGHT STOP IN, STOP OUT, MORE LIKE LAWLAHALAWA SOMEONE MAY BE BUBBE WATCHING OVER A UNITSITE.

SEE MORE SUICIDE WITH THAT TYPE OF, SYSTEM.

WHEN YOU HAVE DIRECT ISERI R SUPERVISION STAFF KNOW IMMEDIATELY IF SOMEONE MISSED MEAL.

ACTING OFF.

MIGHT NEED P MEDICAL O MENTAL HEALTH.

>> ONE THING I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR FROM THE COMMISSION STANDPOINT WE'RE IN FAVOR OF SMALLER FACILITY.

, REALLY LOOKING INTO MORE OF THESE DID I DIVERSION PROGRAM.

BUT DEFINITELY NOT TAKING AWAY ANY STAFF POSITION AT ALL.

WITH BECAUSE WE NEED THEM.

THEIR WORK IMPERATIVE.

I THINK THAT FEW GIVE THE MANY A BAD RAP.

AND THAT'S UNFORTUNATE.

BUT TH THOSE CORRECTION OFFICERS WORK HARD AND WE NEED THEM.

WE NEED THEM TOE O PREVENT SUICIDE.

NEED THEM TO BE IN THOSE SPACE I WANT TO MAKE THE POINT DIRECT SUPER-VITLE E'O SUS VERY IMPORTANT.

>> AGREE.

DESIGN NEW FACILITY, EVEN THOUGH I WANT IT TO BE DIRECT SUPERVISION.

PEOPLE ON THE FLOOR ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TOO HAVE, IS NO MORE DE KEYS ON THE FLOOR WHERE INMATES ARE.

NO MORE DOOR CONTROLS WHERE THE INMATES ARE.

HAVE THAT SOMEWHERE APART IT.

FOR THE SAFETY AND INMATES.

WHAT I'M TSI SEEIN AND KUWAIT TE SITS TIM, IT'S KUWAIT ANT A KUWAITED TO SNCHT ANTIQUATE THE TO POINT IT'S CONCEIVABLE THOSE DOORS COULD BE OPENED AT A TIME THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN.

AND THERE'S NOT MUCH WE CAN DO TO CONTROL THAT RIGHT NOW.

WE NEED BETTER SYSTEMS.

BETTER TECHNOLOGY.

THAN 1975 PROVIDED US.

>> GOOD.

>> THAT IS PART OF WHAT THIS IS.

AND CURRENT DESIGN THAT WE HAVE, IS DESIGNED AROUND THAT SYSTEM.

AROUND SO THERE'S NO REAL WAY TO CHANGE THAT.

WHICH IS PART OF WHY WE NEED A NEW AND BETTER LAY OUT FOR THE FACILITY.

BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT STEINED E'DESIGNEDWHAT WE CURRENTLY FAC.

>>Yunji: BRINGING FEDERAL DETENTION THAT PLAY.

WHAT ARE LAWMAKERS FEELING PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE SORT OF VIEW ON THAT, IS THAT A RREAL POSSIBILITY?

ARGUMENT THERE VERY HIGH SECURITY FACILITY THAT IS EITHER HAS A LOT OF ROOM IN IT AT THE MOMENT, SO THINK IT'S ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF LIKE THOUGHT OUT THERE THAT WE COULD QUICKLY DO THAT.

BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH TAKING OVER AND BUYING A FEDERAL FACILITY.

I THINK IT WHO WOULD TAKE ACT OF PRESIDENT AN CONGRESS IN ORDER TO PURCHASE THAT.

SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE PLAYED WITH.

BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S IT REALITY.

I ADD ONE MORE THING.

THIS IS DEVELOPMENT THAT IS HAPPENING BECAUSE OF THE NEEDS OF THIS FEDERAL ADMINISTRATION TO DO MORE INTEGRATION DETENTION.

WE KNOW THAT FDC HONOLULU HAS BEEN PUT OUT AS A POTENTIAL PLACE FOR CONTRACT FOR MORE IMMIGRATION ACTIVITIES.

BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

THAT IS A STORY THAT BEEN VERIED BY THE MIAMI HERALD.

REPORTER CALL THAT ABOUT THAT.

DEVELOPED BY) HIGHLY DOUBT THAT THE FDC HONOLULU REALITY.

WE NEED FOCUS ON WHAT'S BEFORE US.

WE ALREADY INVESTED MONIES IN AND THE KINDS OF PLANNING THAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE.

IF I CAN ASK JOHN A QUESTION.

BECAUSE I'M KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT THIS.

WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF DECIDING TO FUND THE $15,000,000.15 MILLION MY SENSE IS THAT IT 15 MILLION, AND 15 MILLION.

SITE SELECTED STILL QUESTIONS WHAT THE FINAL DESE DEDESIGN IS GOING TO LOOKING LIKE.

STILL OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO WEIGH IN.

I GUESS WHAT I TAKE OFFENSE WITH, SOMETIMES PEOPLE IT'S GOING SUPER-FACILITY OR JIEWRP SUPER-JAIL.

REALITY IS IT PLANNING PHASE WHERE IF WE KNOW THAT THERE CAN BE WE CAN WHAT I HOPE WE ACTUALLY DO THE REDUCE POPULATION MORE OVER TIME.

BEFORE THE FACILITY IS ACTUALLY DONE.

WHICH IS IN 2031.

CORRECT IS THIS I WANT US TO SEE DO REDUCTIONS IN THE NUMBERS OF FOLKS IN THERE.

AND THEN TALK ABOUT BUILDING OUT PARTS OF FACILITY WHERE THERE IS MORE TRANSITION CENTERS.

IT'S MORE MODELEL AFTER PLACES IN ARIZONA OR MIAMI.

WHICH IS WHERE THE GOVERNOR TEAM HAS BEEN LOOK AT.

WRONG TO SAY THAT.

>> I WOULD SAY ACTUAL ON THE RIGHT TRACK.

I GOT SOME FIGURES TODAY SO I CAN TALK ABOUT THAT TODAY.

RIGHT NOW, IN OUR FACILITY, WHERE WE'RE THE A AT 9 1 SENTENCED FELL ON PROBATIONERS AT OUR PLACE.

WHAT AT THAT MEANS PEOPLE BACK ON PROBATION VIOLATIONS BUT NOT NECESSARILY ON NEW CHARGES.

THESE ARE PROBATION VIOLATION VIOLATERS.TYPES OF PEOPLE THAT D LOOK AT HOUSING IN A TRANSITION CENTER.

WHICH IS PART FROM THE JAIL PROPER.

IT'S A SEPARATE BUILDING.

IDEA IS YOU KEEP YOUR WOULD POPULATIONS APART.

THAT WAY WE WITH FOCUS ON THEIR NEEDS AND RIGHT THERE GET THEM BACK IN GET THEM HELP THAT THEY NEED.

GET THEM BACK ON TRACK AND BACK OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY AS QUICKICALLY AS WE CAN.

IDEA BEHIND THE TRANSITION CENTER.

I HAVE 9 1 SENTENCED FELL ON PROBATIONERS AND I HAVE ONLY 7 THAT ARE ON.

100 BEDS WOULD HOLD THAT.

CURRENTLY.

NEW FACILITY.

RIGHT NOW, THOSE ARE INTERMIXED IN MY POPULATION.

A LOT OF CASES BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NO ROOM AT THE INN.

NOT ROOM THERE TO HAVE ALL OF THE DIFFERENT THINGSMENT WE ALREADY CURRENTLY HAVE SPECIAL HOUSING FOR MENTAL HEALTH.

WE HAVE SPECIAL HOUSING FOR MEDICAL CASE.

ANOTHER SPECIAL HOUSING FOR STEP DOWN MENTAL HEALTH.

WE HAVE HOUSING UNIT FOR MAXIMUM CUSTODY.

HOPING TO HAVE A STEP DOWN UNIT FOR THOSE MATCH CUSTODY COME BACK TO GP AND BE REINT SEGRGREATED BACK INTO THE POPULATION.

GETTING TO THE POINT WE DON'T HAVE ROOM TO PUT PROBATIONERS IN ONE SPOT.

THEY REALLY SHOULD BE HOUSED IN IT THEIR OWN ENVIRONMENT THAT IS SET UP WITH THEM TO HAVE SERVICE.

HAVE REACH IN.

>> TALKING ABOUT IS PERMIT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.

STATE REALLY HAS DEEPLY DEEPLY INVEST IT.

THERE HAS TO BE SYSTEMS OF CARE THAT ARE SET UP TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THE SYSTEM.

COMPLETELY.

YOU THINK ALSO, WHERE OUR STANCE IS, ARE THERE ENOUGH SERVICES TO DIVERT PEOPLE FROM GOING TO THE JAIL SYSTEM AT ALL?

ONCE YOU'RE IN THE SYSTEM, THE RATE OF RECIDIVISM IS REALLY HIGH.

AND CAN MOST THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LOCK UP WHICH IS ALSO LIKE A SOCIAL AND RACIAL JUSTICE ISSUE, 30% OF THEM ARE NATIVE HAWAIIANS.

SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING A BIGGER JAIL, AND ADDING MORE AND MORE SERVICES I MEAN, THERE NEEDS TO BE SERVICES THAT ARE APPLICABLE FOR PEOPLE THERE LIKE YOU SAY, FOR UP TO 2 MONTHS THEY SHOULD BE.

RIGHT?

>> YES.

TTO BE FAIR AND FRANK ON IT, WE DO HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE AND BECAUSE THEIR TRIALS LAST FOREVER, THEBL BEEN THERE MUCH LONGER.

THAT IS EXCEPTION NOT THE RULE.

THE RULE IS PROBABLY THAT TWO MONTHS IS WHAT WE HAVE FOR AVERAGE TURNOVER.

>>Yunji: WE'VE HEARD THIS IDEA OF SUPER-JAIL OR DIFFERENT ITERATION OF WHAT THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

WHAT IS THE COMMISSION'S VIEW ON WHAT THIS FACILITY, WHAT SHAPE THIS FACILITY SHOULD TAKE?

>> I'M GLAD BROUGHT THAT UP.

INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, ONE OF PREVIOUS DIRECT MA MAX OHTANI MADE A COMMITMENT TO THE WORK WITH A GROUP UH CDC CREATE A HUGE REPORT, CALLED BREAKING CYCLES REPORT.

CVC THEY DID I REALLY CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT, THEY DID INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF WORK.

MET WITH HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE.

MET WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

MET WITH STAFF.

THEY MET WITH US.

JUST ACROSS THE BOARD.

AND THEY ACTUALLY WENT INTO THE FACILITY SAT DOWN IN PEOPLE CAN US DID I FIGURE OUT IS IT THAT YOU NEED?

CUSTODY SAT DOWN WITH STAFF, WHAT IS IT IS THAT YOU NEED WHAT CAN THIS LOOK LIKE.

SAT DOWN WITH NATIVE HAWAIIAN GROUPS.

WHAT DO YOU NEED?

CREATED THIS MASSIVE REPORT.

THAT REALLY BREAKS DOWN WHAT THE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SHOULD PERFECT, WHAT AN IDEAL JAIL FOR HAWAII COULD BE.

AND SO BLUEPRINT IS THERE.

THE WORK HAS BEEN DONE.

WE HAVE IT.

WE HAVE THAT.

THE COMMISSION A'S CONCERN IS THAT WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S FIRM DMIMENT R COMMITMENT FROM THE FROM THE DEPARTMENT TO FOLLOW THAT BLUEPRINT THAT'S A A BIGGEST CONCERN.

EVERYTHING BE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE NEW JAIL AS FAR AS IT BEING BEST FOR MENTAL HEALTH AND WEST FOR THIS AND THAT, BEST FOR THIS AND THAT.

DIFFICULT FOR US TO BELIEVE THAT WHENNING IN THE CURRENT FACILITY, WE'RE NOT SEEING PEOPEOPLE OUT OF THEIR CELLS.

GENERAL POP PLAYING LOCKDOWN 22 HOURS A DAY.

THIS ISN'T SOLITARY CONFINE.

GENERAL POPULATION.

NOT GETTING OUTSIDE FOR RECREATION.

SEEN BY MENTAL HEALTH WHEN THEY NEED IF.

WE'RE SEEING PEOPLE MENTAL HEALTH BEING PUT IN SOLITARY CCONFINEMENT.

ALL WE'RE CONCERNED SERVICES COMMITTEE THAT BUILDER ARE, IS NOT GOING TO FIX ALL OF THE THESE SOCIAL.

>> THAT ARE HAPPENING WITHIN THE FACILITIES RIGHT NOW.

UNTIL WE SEE SOME TYPE OF TRUE COMMITTED LAID OUT SYSTEMIC PLAN, THAT SHOWS EXACTLY HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE IN CURRENT FACILITIES NOW AND HOW THE NEW BUILDING WILL GET, EVEN MAKE THINGS BITTER WITH THE NEW FACILITIES, BETTER NEW CAMERAS EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS WHY THE COMMISSION ASKED FOR THE PAUSE.

I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO RESPOND TO THAT.

>> WELL I TEND TO AAGREE WITH YOU.

NOT GETTING OUT OF CELL AS MUCH AS THEY SHOULD.

TALK ABOUT THIS OFF CAMERA MANY TIMES.

I DEGREE WITH YOU.

ENTIRE WILL I I AGREE WITH YOU ENTIRELY ONE THING THAT YOU HAVE RECOGNIZE IS THAT IT'S A LOT OF DRIVEN BY THE FACT WE HAVE VACANCIES EVERY TIME WE HAVE CANCEL RECREATION YARDAGE I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF CAME TO WORK THAT DAY.

IN ORDER TO GET JOB DONE.

REALITY OF WHAT I FACE.

THE ONLY FIX TO THAT IS TO EITHER HIRE MORE IS STAFF OR HAE A BETTER SYSTEMIC LAYOUT SO WE CAN ACTUALLY DO THE JOB WITH FEWER BODY IT'S THAT SHOW UP.

IF WE CAN'T HIRE THE BODIES TO DO THE WORK WE NEED TO HAVE A FACILITY THAT ALLOWS US TO THE DORK WITH LESS BODIES.

>> THAT'S WHEN WE SURVEYED ALMOST A THOUSAND CONNECTION HE CORRECTIONS STAFF.

ALMOST A THOUSAND STAFF TOOK OVER 127 SOMETHING QUESTION VARY.

WE WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHY THEY ARE NOT SHOWING UP FOR WORK.

EXACTLY MAY THE ISSUES ARE WHERE THEY'RE METH IS.

BMENTALHEALTH IS.

NEW JAIL ISN'T ABOUT PEOPLE IN CUSTODY.

IT'S ABOUT STAFF.

WE CAME OUT WITH MANY RECOMMENDATIONS, MANY RECOMMENDATIONS.

DIDN'T COME FROM US.

CAME FROM STAFF.

AND AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS ASIDE FROM MAYBE A COUPLE, WE NEED TO SEE MORE OF COMMITMENT TO ACTUALLY MOVING THROUGH AND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THOSE STAFF ARE ASKING FOR.

SO YOU KNOW, I GUESS THAT'S MY POINT.

I STRUGGLE BECAUSE ALL THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE IMPORTANT.

BUT IF I DON'T SEE COMMISSION DOESN'T SEE THE MOVEMENT FORWARD, AND THE COMMITMENT FROM THE DEPARTMENT, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR US TO STAND BACK AND SAY, YES, WE SUPPORT THIS MASSIVE INVESTMENT FOR NEW FACILITY.

>> TODAY, YOU HAD A COMMISSION MEETING.

AND AT YOUR COMMISSION MEETING DEPUTY DIRECTOR SAID TO THE ISSUE OF UNDERSTAFFING, AND PROBLEMS WITH STAFFING UPW AND DIRECTOR P ARE GOING TO BE SITTING DOWN AT AN MEETING ON JULY 7 TO SEE IF THEY CAN WORK OUT SOME COINLD OF KIND OF MOU AROUND STAFFING ISSUES TO ME I THAT'S A KEY, KEY MILESTONE THAT WE SHOULD BE WATCHING.

COMING OUT OF THAT MEETING, ARE THERE COMMITMENTS FROM BOTH MANAGEMENT AND FROM THE STANFUNIONS TO ADDRESS UNDER STAWI STAFFING PROBLEM.

IF I SEE PROGRESS ON THAT EFFORT HE CAN START TALKING ABOUT HOW ARE THEY GOING TO SPEND ADDITIONAL $4 MILLION WE JUST PROVIDED YOU FOR RE-ENTRY SERVICES WHERE HE HAVE TAKE THESE ISSUES AND ADDRESS EACH ISSUE PIECE BY PIECE AND NOT SAY JUST PAUSE PLANNING ON FACILITIES.

WE KEEP DOING THAT.

EVERYONE HAS TO BE WORKING PARALLEL ON ALL OF THESE ISSUES ALL THE TIME.

I WILL ALSO SAY ONE LAST THING.

THAT REPORTED, UH CDC CREATED, THAT REPORT CAN BE TABLEN INTO THE DESIGN PROCESS NOW GOING TO BE BUILT OUT TAKEN IN IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS OR SO.

IT'S NOT WORK THAT IS GOING TO GO UNNOTICED.

CERTAINLY WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET THEM IS LIKE IGNORE IT.

I MEAN, I THINK THERE WAS REALLY GOOD COMMUNITY WORK AND SO THAT INPUT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE NOW USED IN DESIGN PROCESS.

SO I THINK WE HAVE TO KEEP PRESSURING THEM TO KEEP MOVING ROA RIGHT DIRECTION.

>> WE WILL.

I'M FINE P A WITH THE PRESSURE.

MY THOUGHTS ON IT MADE IT CLEAR TALKED EARLIER I AM NOT WAITING UNTIL I HAVE NEW JAIL TO WORK IN.

TO IMPLEMENT SOME OF THESE CLA CHANGES SOME THESE CHANGE STASTARING ELEMENT NOW MAKING PROGRESS.

STARTING IMPLEMENT.

EL SLOW PROJECTS, TURNS SHIP HIGHER OCCC TAKES TIME I DON'T GIVE UP THAT EASILY I WANT TO SEE THE CHANGE.

NAHOA SILT IS GOING TO MAKE THE CHANGE A LITTLE YES, SIR YEAR FOR IT TOTE GUN.

NEW FACILITY IS GOING TO GET EASIER TO MAKE THE CHANGE.

NOT EITHER/OR I WANT TO IS MAKE THE CHANGE NOW BUT HAVE A FACILITY END OF LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL SO THAT'S CHANGES THAT WE MAKE STICK.

AND THAT WE DON'T FALL INTO BAD BE H HABITS BECAUSE OF THE A.

ARCHITECTURE BE PRO OLELOS STARVING SHORT-TERM E'O STAFFING SHORTAGE WE MAKE CAN'TLY MAKE SURE GO FORWARD WE ADDRESS.

WE CURRENTLY STAFF MOTHERLY IS A PROBABLE BE WILLMENT STAFF MORALE IS LEMMO BECAUSE PEOPLE CALL IN SICK ALL THE TIME DIRECTOR WILL TELL YOU CALL IF N SICK AND THEY DOER ARE CALL IN SICK BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET DAYS OFF AND WORKING 16 HOUR SHIFTS.

OFTENTIMES I MEAN, SOMETIMES 3, 4, 4 FIVE DAYS A WEEK.

16 HOUR MANDATORY SHIFTS DON'T HAVE STUFF TO COVER BASIC SECURITY NEEDS MET.

WHO YOU HAVE THAT PEOPLE BURN OUT HAVE A BAD ATTITUDE.

THEY HAVE A GRADUATION THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO.

THEY CALL IN SICK.

IT'S NOT THAT'S NOT RIGHT BUT THEY DO IT.

WHY?

BECAUSE THEY'RE TAKING CARE OF THEIR FAMILY ALSO WE TALK TALK A LOT IN OUR DIDN'T WORK LIFE BALANCE WE NEED TO PUT OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS A LITTLE BIT ON THAT.

>>Yunji: I WANT TO BRING YOU INTO THE CONVERSATION.

I KNOW THAT YOUR ORGANIZE IS CALLING FOR A PAUSE.

BUT SORT OF DIFFERENT REASON WHAT IS YOUR STANCE HOW THIS PROCESS SHOULD MOVE FORWARD?

>> PERSONALLY, I THINK WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE WHERE I GUESS I CAN SPEAK FOR MYSELF TOO.

I WOULD LIKE TO IS SEE MORE IT COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.

AND ACCESS TO INFORMATION.

SO IF THERE ARE CHANGES BEING MADE, AND LIKE YOU SAID, SEEING STRONG COMMITMENTS WHERE THINGS ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO MOVE FORWARD, BECAUSE THE DATA THAT WE HAVE AND KIND OF THE PEA PATTERNS NONE OF THE PLANS IS HAVE WORKED RE-ENTRY ISN'T WORKING RIGHT NOW FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

AND WHAT DOES IT LOOKS LIKE IN THIS NEW SYSTEMS PLANNING FOR COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS TO BE A PART OF THAT.

>>Chair Waters: THIS IS COMMUNITY BOARDS.

PEOPLE THAT JUST ARE AVERAGE EVERY DAY WORKS.

OR STUDENTS.

WHERE VOICES IN THE SYSTEMIC PLANNING OF A NEW FACILITY GOING TO HOLD THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS.

AND THESE ARE PEOPLE.

>> VERY IMPORTANT PIECE WHAT WE DO.

I HAVE TO SAY I'M GOING TO DO A SHOUT OUT FOR U.H.

CDC WHICH IS THEY DID REMARKABLE WORK.

WILL YOU TALKED ABOUT IT.

GREAT JOB OF HE REACHING OUT TO PEOPLE.

THEY HELD I DON'T REMEMBER, WELL OVER 100 MEETINGS.

THEY HAD ALL KIND OF DIFFERENT THINGS I HAVE WENT TO SEVERAL OF THEM.

VERY INFORMATIVE STUFF.

HARD TO REACH EVERYBODY.

BUT WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB.

P AND YOU AND I TALKING TODAY, FIRST TIME EVER SAT DOWN AND REALLY I THINK FIRST TIME I MET YOU, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I WANT TO SHARE SOME INFORMATION WITH YOU AFTER THE WORK.

I WANTED TO COME TO MY OFFICE SO THAT I CAN SHOW YOU IT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT NOT ONLY I'M PLANNING TO DO, BUT THINGS THAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE IN THE LAST 2 YEARS.

TO MAKE A CHANGE.

>> MOST OF THE TIMES TOO, I THINK HAVING THAT GENERAL CONVERSATION COMMITMENT IS NICE, BUT I THINK WHERE WE'RE AT ALSO WITH THE COALITION IS BEING ABLE TO SEE LIKE HARD SET ON PAPER THERE IS A PAUSE, AND THAT THINGS ARE PLANNED OUT IN A WAY THAT OFFERS REAL TRUE CHIMENT.

COMMITMENT YOU CAN HE WILL IT ME YES, WE CAN ONE COUNCIL HE IS HAWAII DOUBT RIGHTS CENTER INVESTIGATES, MENTAL HEALTH DISPARITIES, ACROSS THE BOARD, FOR PEOPLE RECEIVING SERVICES WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GO INTO THE JAIL TO DO SERVICE WITH PEOPLE.

BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE.

>> TELL AUEN THIS.

WILL BE LOOKING INTO THIS.

I DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON WHY IS THAT IS.

AND SO I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE TALKING ABOUT IT.

SAYING THIS IS, I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND MAKE SOMETHING UP.

BUT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE WHEN YOU HAVE A CONCERN, WE HAVE, I HAVE OPEN DOOR POLICY.

THEY TRULY MEAN THAT.

YOU CAN CALL ME WITH YOUR CONCERNS.

IF I HAVE THE TIME TO ANSWER YOU, I WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.

AS LONG AS IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I'M GIVING YOU PUT YOU BEYOND SENSITIVE INFORMATION.

>>Yunji: ASK YOU THIS.

I WANT TO GO TO REPRESENTATIVE.

YOU'VE MENTIONED STAFFING SEVERAL TIMES.

WEWE KNOW KIND OF LYNCHPIN TO SO MANY OF THE ISSUES YOU'RE FACING.

IT'S NOT JUST YOU.

IT'S ALSO THE HONOLULU POLICE DEPARTMENT.

IT'S AGENCY IT'S ACROSS THE BOARD.

AND PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SECTOR.

DO YOU THINK IT'S IS SO HARD FOR YOUR AGENCY IN PARTICULAR TO RECRUIT AND RETAIN STAFF?

>> WELL, WE'RE NOT EXACTLY WHAT YOU WOULD CALL A GLORIOUS CAREER.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD LOOK AT OUR JOB AS BEING, SO THERE'S SOME PEOPLE LOOK AT IT AND SAY, YOU'RE NOT EVEN COPS.

WHICH IS NOT EXACTLY TRUE.

WE'RE INTO COPS DO A DIFFERENT B COMPLETELY.

A LOT OF PEOPLE EQUATE WE SHOULD BE COPS.

WE'RE NOT.

WE'RE LESS THAN.

THAT'S NOT TRUE.

I HAVE SOME YOU HAVE THE HARDEST WORKING PINEAPPLE ON THIS ISLAND.

SOME OF THE-PEOPLE ON THIS ISLAND.

AWESOME PEOPLE ARE AND THEY AREN'T, YES, THEY'RE RULE ENFORCES BUT MORE THAN THAT.

THEY HAVE LISTEN TO THE GUY WHO GOT A PROBLEM AND HELP HIM GET, SOLUTION FOR HIS PROBLEM.

MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE HE NEEDS TO CONNECT WITH HIS FAMILY HAD HE DON'T KNOW HO.

THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO TO GET MONEY ON THEIR BOOKS.

THEY HAVE A COUNSELOR IN SOME CASE WE MENTIONED MENTAL HEALTH.

THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO READ HE PEOPLE FOR MENTAL HEALTH AND GET THEM TO THE PROCESS.

MY GUYS ARE COPS.

MUCH MORE.

WE HAVE SOME AWESOME PEOPLE THAT WORK IN OUR FACILITIES.

UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC REALLY SEES THAT.

THERE IS IT THIS VISION THAT PEOPLE WHO WORK IN JAILS CORRECTIONAL OFFICERS, GUARDS, CALLED A LOT OF OUT THERE, THEY ARE LIKE YOU SEE ON TV.

YOU NEVER SEE TV CRIME SHOW WHERE THE PRISON OFFICIALS ARE AND TRUE HARD WORK ON THE TABLE.

HON ETS AND TRUE PERCEPTION COMMUNITY.

THAT IS NOT WHAT WE DO FOR A LIVING WE ACTUALLY WORK AND MY STAFF REALLY BELIEF THAT THEY CAN PLA MAKE A DIRCHLTS.

KEYS THEM COMING TO WORK.

MAKE A DIFFERENCE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF STAFF.

COMES TWOCIALG I VERY DEDICATED PEOPLE COME IN EVERY DAY HOPING THAT TO DO TODAY IS THE DAY THEY MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN SOMEBODY LIFE.

>>Yunji: >>Yunji: YOU MENTIONED MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING.

WHAT ARE WE GOING TO SEE COMES TO IT STAFFING UNION JOBS CONTRACTS JOBS RAISE EVERYBODY GIVEN A BONUS IS IT A COMPENSATION ISSUE?

RECRUITMENT ISSUE?

RETENTION ISSUE WHERE DO YOU SEE THE PROBLEM COMES TO STAFFING?

>> THIS ONE HARD ONE FOR ME TO ANSWER.

BECAUSE I THINK IT'S ABOUT RULES AROUND WHEN PEOPLE COME IN TO WORK.

AND WHEN THEY CAN TAKE LEAVE AND SHIFTS.

I DON'T KNOW THAT'S NECESSARILY ABOUT MONEY.

IT'S ABOUT HOW YOU ORGANIZE THE WORKDAY.

AND I DO NOT PROPRETEND TO KNOW I'M THE EXPERT ON THAT I CANNOT TELL YOU, WHAT IS GOING TO WORK.

BUT THINK SOMETHING WAS MESSAGED IN YOUR COMMISSION MEETING TODAY ABOUT MENTIONED TODAY ABOUT GOING TO DIFFERENT 12-HOUR OR 8 HOUR SHIFTS.

>> YEAH.

INTERESTING IS WHEN WE SURVEYED CORRECTIONS STAFF, WE COMPLETED SURVEY TOOK RUTS BACK INTO THE EACH FACILITIES SAT DOWN AND DID TALK STORY WITH THE STAFF, RIGHT?

FEEL?

IF IS RIGHT WHAT DO YOU NEED TO CHANGE THIS ?

FINDING REALLY, REALLY HOUR HORRIFIC FINDING.

MOST OF THE STAFF HAVE PTSD.

DEPRESSION ANXIETY.

STRESSFUL JOB INTERESTING IS SO WITH THE UNION, WORK, ONE THING SURPRISING TO ME A LOT STAFF WANTED ACCOUNTABILITY.

AND SO ONE THING THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR BETTER ATTENDANCE PROGRAM SO THAT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO AGAIN, FEW MAKE THE MONEY LOOK BAD THE MANY LOOK BAD INDIVIDUALS MAY BE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE SYSTEM A BIT MUCH, THERE HAS TO BE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY THERE.

ONE PART OF IT I THINK ON LARGER PART OF IT TOO IS INCENTIVES.

THE CORRECTIONS STAFF WHO HAVE BEEN THERE, TEN, 15, 20, 25 PLUS YEARS, NALOXONE A A THERES I A LOT THEMLONGEVITY PAY.

REWARD STAYING WITH STATE AND STAYING WITH THE SERVICE THAT'S AMAZING A LOT OF DIFFERENT PIECES HERE.

ONE THING THAT DEPARTMENT IS DOING THAT I REALLY APPRECIATE IS THEY'RE LOOKING INTO A STAFF WELLNESS RESPONSE TEAM.

THAT WAS RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME OUT OUR REPORT.

BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SUICIDES THAT HAPPEN IN THE FACILITIES ONE THING WE NEVER TALK IS AMOUNT OF SUICIDE PREVENTED STAFF PREVENT THOSE SUICIDE.

AND SO BUT WHETHER YOU PREVENT A SUED OR CATCH ONE, UNFORTUNATELY IT'S DRAMATIC IBLG FOR STAFF SO ONE THING I APPRECIATE ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT THEY'RE REALLY PUTTING IN A STRONG EFFORT TO CREATE THAT WELLNESS TEAL TO MAKE SURE THAT STAFF CHECKED IN ON AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE OKAY.

I THINK THAT WILL HELP AS WELL.

>> THERE'S SOME EMAILS THERE.

>>Yunji: THANK YOU FOR THOSE OF YOU WRITING IN.

READING THEM AS THEY COME.

SCOTT SAYS, LOVE FOR YOU RESPOND TO THAT.

WHY ISN'T INVESTING BILLION DOLLARS INTO INTO EXPANDING MEL HEALTH COMMUNITER FUNDING.

HOUSING BUILD LESS EXPENSIVE JOB.

DO YOU THINK THE INVESTMENT IS IN THE RIGHT PLAY.

PLACE.>> ANY DON'T THINK THE INVESTMENT IS RIGHT PLACE.

I THINK WE STATED ALREADY, THERE KNEES TO YOU BE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CURRENT CONDITIONS FOR CURRENT FOLKS THAT ARE IN THE JAILCY SYSTEM DOESN'T NEED TO BE BILLION DOLLARS.

I MEAN, D.O.E.

ALSO JUST ASKED FOR BILLION DOLLARS TO REBUILD SCHOOLS ON MAUI.

AND REBUILD SCHOOLS IN WAIANAE.

AND THEY WERE TOLD NO.

SO JUST LOOKING AT WHERE WE'RE INVESTING FUNDS, IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT.

THINK THAT QUESTION IS GREAT.

WHY AREN'T WE TALKING ABOUTER PUTTING BILLION DOLLARS INTO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM?

WAREN'T WE TALKING ABOUT BILLION DOLLARS INTO SNAP AND OTHER BENEFITS.

TOOK AWAY MEMBERS SNAP BENEFITS FOR FOLKS ALSO EXACERBATE COMMUNITY CARE AND RESOURCE ACCESS THAT PEOPLE HAVE.

WE JUST NEED TO IT COME INTO THESE OTHER SOCIAL SPACES WITH THAT SAME MINDSET.

CAN WE INVEST A BILLION DOLLARS.

INTO OUR FUTURE.

RESPOND, ONE THING.

YES, I DO THINKS IMPORTANT TO INVEST IN THE COMMUNITY WITHOUT QUESTION.

THE ONE THING THAT I DO WANT TO POINT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THESE FOLKS HAVEN'T BEEN FORGOTTEN ABOUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN FOR YEARS.

>> FORGOTTEN ABOUT.

HOW WE GOT TO THE FACILITIES GOT TO THE POINT THEY ARE NOW.

WE HAVE MOST VULNERABLE POPULATIONS IN THESE FACILITIES.

THE PEOPLE WHO HOMELESS.

MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.

ET CETERA.

>> 20% OF THEM.

BACK AND FORTH ALL DIE WHAT DAYO BELONG IN DIS JAIL ON DOESN'T.

AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY ARE THERE.

I WANT TO BEING MATURE THERE INVESTMENT I WANT TO BE CAREFUL YOU THINK SOMETIMES LAWMAKERS HERE LET'S PUT IT TOWARDS SCHOOLS.

TOWARDS THIS.

IT MAKES IT REALLY EASY TO NOT PUT ANYTHING TOWARDS CORRECTIONS.

I MEAN, CAN'T DO THAT.

ACTUALLY WANTED TO WEIGH IN ON THAT 40% NUMBER YOU GAVE.

I HEARD THAT NUMBER BEFORE.

I ACTUALLY.

>> SURVEYED 2020.

>> LET ME RESPOND.

PLEASE.

PART OF WHERE THAT NUMBER CAME FROM, IS THE FACT THAT WHEN WE ASKED THEM DO YOU HAVE A HOME, ADDRESS, PERMANENT ADDRESS, AND THEY DON'T WANT TO GIVE TO US.

DON'T PUT AN ADDRESS DOWN.

THEY ARE NOW Y COUNCILLED HOME COUNTED A HOMELESS.

SITTING A LOSS CLOSER TO 7% HEAR R R RATHER THAN 140%.

THOSE NUMBERS IF 40% NUMBERS ARREST FIGURES MAKING CONTACT WITH HOMELESS PEOPLE, NOT YOU EVERYBODY WHO IS ARRESTED GOES TO JAIL.

SOME PEOPLE ARE CITED AND RELEASED.

A LOT OF HOMELESS PEOPLE ARE DOING MINOR CRIMES.

TRESPASSING, MINOR PROPERTY DAMAGES, THEY NEVER SEE THE INSIDE OF A JAIL.

THEY GO DOWN, BOOKED, RELEASED.

>> I MEAN, I DO OUTREACH AND COMMUNITY ALMOST EVERY WEEKEND FOR THE PAST 2 YEARS.

IN CHINATOWNED A WE'RE SEEING ABOUT 100 FOLKS EVERY EVENING.

THAT WERE DOING OUTREACH AND I'VE DEFINITELY HAD COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT ARE EXPERIENCING HOUSELESSNESS GOT THE JAIL SYSTEM AND SEE THEM COUPLE WEEKS LAT LATER.

NUMBER WAS STILL VALID.

37.5% IN 2020.

MAYBE CHANGED.

IT HAS CHANGED ALL THE WAY TO 7%.

I WOULD BE REALLY, REALLY SURPRISED.

>> MATRIX IS DIFFERENT.

BECAUSE WHAT YOU WERE MESH MEASURING REPORTS OR DOESN'T REPORT.

>> YOUR NUMBERS.

>> WITH CAN ALL AGREE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO DO BETTER JOB IN CAPTURING THAT DATA.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>>Yunji: PARENS IN CARE CAN COME IN AND DO THAT TYPE VARYING IN DEPTH, SYSTEM THAT ALREADY BEEN SET UP PARTNERS IN CARE,.

>> YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

MAKE THAT EASY IF I HAD SPACE FOR THEM COME AN OFFICE DO ON THE NO/CURRENT FACILITY.

>>Yunji: SOUND LIKE YOU'RE DEALING WITH SO MUCH 25% VACANCY AND TO BE DEALING YOU SAID OVER 900 PEOPLE IN FACILITY SUPPOSED TO HOUSE 650.

20% LESS STAFF AND 30% MORE INDIVIDUALS.

THERE ARE THESE COMMENTS THAT ARE COMING IN FROM PEOPLE WHO WORKED IN THE DEPARTMENT.

AND I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO NAME NAMES HERE THEY SAY, THIS IS JUST GIVE YOU OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND SO SOME OF 24 DEPARTMENT IS TOXIC.

EL PROMISE THE PAY.

DON'T KEEP THEIR PROMISE OVERWORKED AROUND BURNED OUT.

COUPLE.

MOST OF THE ALWAYS BEEN BLAMED FOR CALLING IN SICK.

BECAUSE MOST OF THE TIME THEY HOLD US BACK.

THEY NEED TO DO MORE HIRING.

SO OBVIOUSLY, YOU'RE DEALING WITH A PEOPLE LIKE YOU SAID WORKING 16 HOURS, FIVE DAYS A WEEK, THAT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE.

RIGHT.

I AGREE ABSOLUTELY.

I CAN TELL YOU THE FOLKS TALKING ABOUT HAD HAZARDS PAY DECIDED ISSUE AND THEY ARE GETTING PAY HAZARDS PAY.

COMING VERY SOON.

I BELIEVE IN JULY.

IS WHAT I HEARD.

BUT IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.

THAT MONEY IS COMING.

SO WE'RE DOING RIGHT BY OUR FOLKS ON THAT ONE.

AS FAR AS.

>> SAY SOMETHING.

IT'S NOT INSIGNIFICANT AMOUNT.

$124 MILLION.

>> 25% OF ANY OF THE HOURS THEY WORKED DURING COVID.

I MEAN, ABSOLUTELY DESERVE THAT.

>> THEY DO.

I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO FIND ANYBODY THAT ARGUES AGAINST THAT AT THIS TABLE.

EVERYBODY BELIEVES THEY EARNED THAT.

THAT WAS A TIME THAT THEY NEEDED TO, STEPPED YOU.

UP AND NEED TO BE COMPENSATE FOR THAT.

>>Yunji: HOW DO YOU TURN THAT FEELING AROUND?

TAKE HAZARDS PAY OUT OF THAT.

NOT BE ONLY AGENCY.

GOING ON.

HOW DO YOU TURN THAT AROUND, GEFFEN GIVEN CHALLENGE YOU OUTLINED TONIGHT.

>> A LOT OF WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS GET IN THERE AND GET TO KNOW YOUR PEOPLE.

AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE THAT DECISION SITTING IN IT YOUR OFFICE DOWNTOWN OR EVEN AT THE FACILITY.

AND NOT GETTING TO KNOW YOUR PEOPLE.

AND I WISH I COULD GET KNOW MY PEOPLE EVEN BETTER THAN I DO.

YOU THINK I'M MAKING IN-ROADS IN THAT AND I BELIEVE THAT WHEN YOU GET TO KNOW THE STAFF THAT WORKED FOR YOU AND THEY SAY YOU'RE ACTUALLY SUPPORTED WHAT GET AND ON THEIR SIDE TO MAKE THEY HAVE A SAFE HEALTHY WORK ENVIRONMENT.

THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT.

THEY WANT MONEY.

AB OBVIOUSLY.

BUT WHAT THEY REALLY TRULY DESIRE IS WORK LIFE BALANCE, AND SAFE HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT TO THEIR JOB.

I COMMIT TO DOING AT THAT WITH THEM EVERY DAY.

STAFF KNOWS I HAVE A REPUTATION THAT IF YOU NEED SOMETHING.

S YOU TRULY NEED TIME OFF, BECAUSE YOUR GRANDMOTHER DEATHLY ILL. >> WITH YOU.

ISSUES THAT YOU'RE ONE WARREN AND NOT ALL WARDENS DOING THAT I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES TALKING ABOUT, LIKE HOW DO YOU GET STAFF TO REALIZE DEPARTMENT CARES ABOUT THEM, DEPARTMENT HAS TO CARE ABOUT THEM.

AND DEPARTMENT HAS TO MAKE CLEAR FROM TOP DOWN THAT WE CARE BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE FLEXIBLE ANYWAY WARM-UPS HE WE .

DIDN'T ALWAYS.

CORRECTIONS.

MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE HEAR AND VALUED AND SEEN.

GETTING TO KNOW THEM AND MEETING THEM WHERE T THEY'RE AT IN THESE FACILITIES.

>> I ALL I CAN TELL YOU I DON'T CONTROL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ABOVE ME.

BUT THE PEOPLE WHO WORK ME I CAN SET THE EXAMPLE.

BE CHANGE I WANT TO SEE IN THE WORLD.

AND BY DOING THAT, ANDE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE WORK ME TO DO THE EXACT SAME THING, THAT IS HOW I MAKE THE CHANGE.

KNEW, IT MAY ONLY AFFECT OCCC.

MAYBE I DON'T HAVE EFFECT ON HALAWA OR WOMEN'S.

>> BELIEVE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO RUN HALAWA AND WOMEN'S WILL BE DOING THEIR BEST TOO.

I REALLY DO.

I WORK WITH THOSE GUYS CLOSELY AND WONDERFUL PEOPLE.

BUT YOU CAN MAKE CHANGE THAT I CAN MAKE.

WHICH IS TO OCCC SO THAT IS ALL I CAN REALLY TALK TALK TO.

>>Yunji: WE STARTED OUT THIS CONVERSATION TALKING ABOUT NEW FACILITY.

I BELIEVE TRAY JEBLGHTRY IS 2031 SUPPOSED TO TO SEE THAT.

TRAJECTORY, HOW REALISTIC DO YOU THINK THAT IS?

>> HOLD DAGS TO THAT.

WE HAVE TO.

BECAUSE THE CURRENT FACILITY IS HORRENDOUS AND SO MY HOPE IS THAT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD.

THERE'S A LOT OF COMPLICATIONS BECAUSE I THINK THE SITE WE'RE ON, THEY HAVE TO MOVE THAT,.

>> ANIMAL QUARANTINE CENTER.

A LOT OF MOVING PIECES.

I HAVE CONFIDENCE IN MR. GAR MR. GORDON WOOD WITH DAGS HELP MOVE THIS PROJECT ALONG.

WE SHOULD HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.

>>Yunji: 2031 DO YOU WANT TO SEE A NEW FACILITY?

>> GIVEN STATE OF CURRENT ONE, IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT WORKING.

PERSONALLY, I'M IN HOPES THAT OUR COMMUNITY WILL ADDRESS MULTIPLE ISSUES.

THAT WE'LL SEE LESS PEOPLE AND IN THE JAIL SYSTEM, THAT THE FOLKS THAT ARE IN THE JAIL SYSTEM NOW ARE NOT BEING HELD LONGER THAN THEY NEED TO BE THERE.

THEY'RE GOING THROUGH A DIVERSION PROCESS.

HOPE 2031 BILL REFORM LESS OF POPULATION IN JAILS IN GENERAL.

I DON'T THINK AGAIN, OUR STANCE WITH THE COALITION AND MY PERSONAL STANCE ISN'T THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE STAYING IN A PLACE OF RUINS AND BEING MISTREATED AND CI CIVIL LIBERTIS MISTREATED.

PEOPLE STILL NEED TO BE TRE TREAT LIKE H HUMAN.

DOES IT NEED TO COST A BILLION DOLLARS?

I DON'T THINK SO.

SUPER-EXPERT ON THAT?

NO.

BUT I THINK LIKE AGAIN, AS A COMMISSION HAS ASKED FOR IT, PUTTING A PAUSE ON THAT, BRINGING NEXT EXPERTS, BRINGING IN COMMUNITY LEADERS MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE CULTURAL RESPONSE, AND SYSTEMIC CREATION OF SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY BE IN OUR COMMUNITY, FOR DECADES, REALLY IMPORTANT.

>>Yunji: LET ME ASK YOU THAT.

ASKED FOR THIS PAUSE.

WHAT HAPPENED NOW?

>> WHAT HAPPENS NOW IS WE JUST CONTINUE TO WORK THE DEPARTMENT AND SEE WHICH DIRECTION THEY GO.

I MEAN, THE OUR HOPE THAT REREGARDLESS WHAT HAPPENS AT THE DEPARTMENT MOVES FORWARD PAUSES WHATEVER IT MAY BE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH US AS THEY HAVE AS PARTNERS WE CAN BE INVOLVED.

YOU KNOW, AT LEAST SOMEWHAT PLANNING PROCESS TO UNDERSTAND BETTER.

JUST MAKE SURE THAT THESE MENTAL HEALTH SYSTEMS ARE BEING EMBEDDED IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

PROGRAMS SYSTEMS ARE BEING I AM BEAMED IN INFRASTRUCTURE.

NOT JUST IT SIDE NOTES OR THINGS THAT SOUND NICE.

EMBEDDED) TRULY EMBEDDED IN THE SYSTEM.

SO THAT IS MY HOPE.

>> JUST CURIOUS WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT BILLION DOLLARS, WHY IS THIS MONEY WELL SPENT?

RNL WELL, WHAT IT DOES FOR US ONE OF THINGS WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT HERE IS THIS IS NOT JUST BUILDING THE FACILITY BUT ALSO MAINTENANCE ON BUILT BUILDINGFOR ANOTHER 30 YEARS WEW HAVE BUILDING T THAT COUNT ON WITH SOMETHING BREAKS WE CAN CALL UP CONTRACTOR BROKEN FIX IT I DON'T KNOW SOME OF YOU WORKED IN STATE GOVERNMENT LONG ENOUGH THAT YOU KNOW GETTING MONEY TO FIX THINGS DEFER MAINTENANCE HAPPENS TO EVERYBODY EVERYWHERE.

THIS BUILDS THAT ACTUALLY INTO THE PROCESS.

SO THAT THIS MONEY IS PAID FOR.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT NICE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH 3P PROCESS, WE DON'T PUT THE BILLION DOLLARS UP FRONT.

I KNOW THAT'S A LITTLE SCARY FOR SOME PEOPLE.

NOW WE OWE MONEY THAT WE'LL HAVE TO DO.

THINK OF IT MORTGAGE ON YOUR HOME.

NOBODY MAY YOU PAY CASH OUTRIGHT FOR YOUR PEOPLE H.O.M.E.

ALL HAVE A MORTGAGE.

FOR DWRIEWR YOUR HOME THIS IS A MORTGAGE.

WHAT THIS BASICALLY IS MORE THAN A MORTGAGE.

MONEY THAT GOES TOWARDS REPAIR OF THIS PLACE.

CURRENTLY, IF WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT BREAKS AT FACILITY THAT WE JUST BUILD AND PUT THE MONEY OUT, IT BREAKS, WE'RE ON THE HOOK TO FIX IT.

DOESN'T MATTER THAT'S ONLY A TWO-YEAR OLD BUILDING.

IF IT BROKE WE HAVE TO FIX IT.

>> CAN I ADD?

YOU HAVE TO COME TO US TO ASK FOR MORE MONEY.

THE $15 MILLION THAT WE PUT DOWN FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR FOR THE OCCC, WE ACTUALLY PUT DOWN $59.75 MILLION FOR MAINTENANCE, SECURITY FENCING, ADA IMPROVEMENTS IN OTHER FACILITIES.

ANNUAL.

>> $59.75 MILLION.

>>Yunji: LESS THAN A MINUTE LEFT.

GIVE YOU LAST WORD.

DO YOU THINK THIS IS BILLION DOLLARS MONEY WELL SPENT?

GIVEN ON ALL OTHER THINGS STATE NEEDS RIGHT NAPPED A ALL THE FEDERAL CUTS ANTICIPATED CUTS TO SERVICE MEDICAID ALL THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED IN SIGHTS MANY TIMES.

WE HAVE TO FIND THE MONEY TO FUND ALL OF THESE THINGS.

THE WAY WE TREAT PRISONERS INMATES IN OUR SYSTEM SAYS A LOT ABOUT WHAT WE ARE AS A SOCIETY.

WAY WE TREAT OUR STUDENTS IN OUR SCHOOLS SAYS A LOT ABOUT OUR WHAT WE ARE IN PASS A SOCIETY.

WHAT WE ARE AS A SOCIETY.

I BELIEVE THAT HAWAII, PROTECTS MOST VULNERABLE.

MOST VULNERABLE, THROWN AWAY BY SOCIETY, IT'S THE YOUNGEST KIDS JUST DREAMING AND HOPING FOR A BETTER HAWAII.

WE GOT TO INVEST IN BOTH THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.

MAHALO TO YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT, AND WE THANK OUR GUESTS - OCCC WARDEN JOHN SCHELL, AND FROM THE REIMAGINING PUBLIC SAFETY COALITION, KEKE WALKER, STATE REPRESENTATIVE DELLA AU BELATTI, AND CHRISTIN JOHNSON FROM THE HAWAII CORRECTIONAL SYSTEMS OVERSIGHT COMMISSION.

WE'RE OFF NEXT WEEK FOR INSIGHTS BUT WE'LL BE BACK ON JULY 10TH.

LAWMAKERS PASSED LEGISLATION THIS YEAR TO IMPLEMENT NEW SAFETY MEASURES FOR MOPED AND SKATEBOARD RIDERS.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST REQUIREMENTS RELATES TO HELMETS.

WE'LL DISCUSS THE CHANGES AND ITS POTENTIAL IMPACTS.

PLEASE JOIN US THEN.

I'M YUNJI DE NIES FOR INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAII.

UNTIL NEXT TIME.

ALOHA.

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