RULING FROM THE NATION'S HIGHEST COURT OPENED THE DOOR FOR MORE PEOPLE TO LEGALLY CARRY A FIREARM IN PUBLIC IN HAWAII.

THE COUNTIES AND THE STATE LEGISLATURE ARE ALREADY MOVING TO DECLARE SOME PLACES OFF LIMITS.

GUN ADVOCATES SAY THOSE RULES ARE TOO BROAD WHILE OTHERS WANT A UNIFORM SET OF LAWS STATEWIDE.

THIS LIVE BROADCAST AND LIVESTREAM OF KAKOU: HAWAII’S TOWN HALL, START NOW.

¶¶ ¶¶ ALOHA AND WELCOME TO KAKOU: HAWAII’S TOWN HALL, LIVE FROM THE HARRY AND JEANETTE WEINBERG MULTI‑MEDIA STUDIO.

I’M YUNJI DE NIES.

LAST SUMMER, THE U.S. SUPREME COURT EXPANDED GUN RIGHTS, PAVING THE WAY FOR SOMETHING THAT HAWAII HAS NEVER EXPERIENCED: CITIZENS BEING ABLE TO LEGALLY CARRY GUNS IN PUBLIC.

ALL FOUR HAWAII COUNTIES ARE NOW ISSUING CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS, WHICH MEANS THE PERSON NEXT TO YOU IN A RESTAURANT, WALKING DOWN THE STREET, OR IN TRAFFIC, COULD BE LEGALLY ARMED WITH A LOADED FIREARM.

WE VISITED A GUNSHOP, WHERE THE STAFF SHOWED US WHAT THE HOLSTERS USED TO CARRY A CONCEALED FIREARM LOOK LIKE ‑ THESE FEATURE A GUN AND AN EXTRA MAGAZINE ‑ ONCE IN PLACE, YOU CAN SEE HOW IT WOULD BE HARD TO TELL THAT SOMEONE IS ARMED.

BOTH HONOLULU AND HAWAII COUNTY HAVE PASSED LAWS TO RESTRICT WHERE THOSE CARRYING GUNS ARE ALLOWED TO GO, BANNING THEM FROM SO‑CALLED “SENSITIVE PLACES.” ON OAHU, THESE INCLUDE GOVERNMENT‑OWNED BUILDINGS, SCHOOLS AND CHILDCARE FACILITIES, PUBLIC PARKS, SHELTERS, ELECTION POLLING PLACES, PUBLIC TRANSIT, BUSINESSES THAT SERVE ALCOHOL, LARGE PUBLIC GATHERINGS, INCLUDING PROTESTS, CONCERT VENUES, CANNABIS DISPENSARIES , HOSPITALS AND SPECIFICALLY: HANAUMA BAY, HAWAII CHILDREN'S DISCOVERY CENTER, HONOLULU ZOO AND WAIKIKI AQUARIUM.

MAYOR RICK BLANGIARDI WILL SIGN BILL 57 INTO LAW TOMORROW MORNING.

LAWMAKERS IN THE STATE HOUSE AND SENATE ARE WORKING ON MEASURES THAT WOULD APPLY SIMILAR RESTRICTIONS STATEWIDE.

SO THE QUESTION IS, GIVEN THAT CITIZENS CAN NOW CARRY GUNS IN HAWAII, SHOULD THE GOVERNMENT RESTRICT WHERE THOSE GUNS ARE ALLOWED?

KAKOU MEANS ALL OF US, AS IN – WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER.

WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU IN OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT.

YOU CAN EMAIL OR CALL IN YOUR QUESTIONS.

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IN OUR TOWN HALL TONIGHT, WE HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT, LAW MAKERS, SECOND AMENDMENT ADVOCATES, AND THOSE FIGHTING FOR STRICTER GUN CONTROL.

SO LET’S BEGIN… ERROR AND IDENTIFICATION DIVISION FOR HONOLULU POLICE DEPARTMENT.

CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH THE CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT PROCESS RIGHT NOW WHAT TAKES TO ACTUALLY OBTAIN ONE OF THESE PERMITS HOW MANY HAVE BEEN APPLIED FOR, AND HOW MANY HAVE BEEN GRANTED?

>> SURE.

THANK YOU.

RECENTLY, SINCE PASS OF BRUIN DECISION, AND BRUIN DECISION HPD, WE HAD A RAMP UP UP POLICIES AN PROCEDURES HOW WE ISSUED CONCEALED CARRY LICENSE TO CARRY FIREARMS.

WE HAD PUBLIC HEARING FOR TO HEAR THE PUBLIC'S INPUT ON WHAT HPD SHOULD DO AND THE FEEDBACK ON POLICIES.

WE TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION PUBLIC OPINIONS THEN FINALIZED WHAT WE CALLED RULES OF THE CHIEF.

RULES OF CHIEF ARE WHAT GOVERN HPD AS TO HOW WE ISSUED LICENSE TO CARRY FIREARM.

IT WAS BASICALLY, EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE IN STATE LAW RIGHT NOW, AND THEN TAKING A REASONABLE APPROACH AS TO WHO SHOULD HAVE AND WHO SHOULDN'T HAVE AS FAR AS INCLUDING TRAINING, EDUCATION, AND BACKGROUND CHECK.

MEDICAL, HISTORY, AND THINGS LIKE FEDERAL PROHIBITERS.

ANYTHING LIKE FEDERAL PROHIBITERS, ALL OF THAT, ALL TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.

SO IT WASN'T LIKE HPD STARTED FROM SCRATCH.

SOMETHING THAT HANA WAS ALREADY THERE THEN WE BUILT UPON THAT.

WE DID SOME RESEARCH WITH OTHER STATES, AND SO WHAT WE CAME UP WITH WAS SOMETHING WHERE THE CONCEALED CARRY YOU COULD SUBMIT YOUR APPLICATION, AND AFTER SUBMITTING YOUR APPLICATION, HAS TO BE COMPLETE.

PART OF THEAPPLICATION PROCESS HAVE TO GO THROUGH TRAIN BE AND EDUCATION.

FOUR HOURS CLASSROOM TRAINING.

2 HOURS LIVE FIRE.

YOU HAVE TO IT HAS TO BE CONDUCTED BY HPD VERIFIED OR CERTIFIED INSTRUCTOR.

AND ONCE THEY PASS THAT, THERE IS A CERTAIN MINIMUM THRESHOLD ONCE YOU PASS THAT, SUBMIT THAT WITH YOUR APPLICATION PACKET.

SIGNED WAIVERS TO HAVE HPD ALLOW TO CONDUCT MEDICAL BACKGROUND CHECKS, SUPREME COURT LOGICAL,THINGS TO THE DOCTORS, HOSPITALS.

PSYCHOLOGICAL, MAKE SURE YOU'RE CLEAR AND OKAY TO CARRY A GUN IN PUBLIC AND AFTER ALL OF THAT, COMES TO US IT GOES THROUGH REVIEW PROCESS, AND THEN IT'S FINALLY SENT TO THE CHIEF OR CHIEF OR REVIEW AND SIGNING.

>>Yunji: LET'S TALK ABOUT THOSE NUMBERS.

HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE APPLIED FOR AND HOW MANY HAVE BEEN GRANTED PERMITS.

>> CAN I CHECK MY NOTES.

>>Yunji: OF COURSE.

>> TODAY CONCEALED CARRY APPLICANTS WE HAVE 6 82.

FOR THOSE 6 82.

90 FIREARM IT'S FOR THOSE APPLICATIONS.

OPEN CARRY WE HAVE TOTAL OF FOUR APPLICANTS APPLYING FOR 12 FIREARMS.

AND APPROVED, WE HAVE TOTAL OF 59 APPLICANTS APPROVED FOR CONCEALED CARRY AND 84 TOTAL FIREARMS.

TO DAY, NO UNCONCEALED CARRY FIREARM APPROVED.

I WANT TO GO KAINOA.

FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THE HAWAII RIFLE ASSOCIATION.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THE PERMITTING PROCESS THAT SHE DESCRIBED AND HOW THIS IS GOING IS TO SO FAR?

>> TERRIBLY.

EXTREMELY SLOW PROCESS.

THOSE ON MY SIDE THINK IT'S BEEN DRAWN OUT.

WE'VE BEEN HIT WITH A BUNCH OF CIRCUMSTANCES LIVING ON OAHU.

IF YOU DON'T KNOW, KOKO HEAD RANGE CLOSED SINCE SEPTEMBER.

NOT ONLY WAS THE PROCESS DELAYED FROM JUNE, WHEN THE SUPREME COURT DECISION WAS DECIDED, DRAGGED ON TO OCTOBER BEFORE A HEARING, THEN THE CHIEF OF POLICE SIGN OFF ON THEIR NEW PROCESS UNTIL NOVEMBER BY THAT TIME.

>> RANGE CLOSED FOR 2 MONTHS.

BEVY OF REQUIREMENTS TO GET CONCEALED CARRY REQUIREMENT OF THE BEVY OF NEW RULES.

NOWHERE FOR TO US TRAIN UNLESS YOU CAN GO TO INDOOR RANGE OR FIND ONE PRIVATE PROPERTY WANTS TO LET YOU SHOOT ON THEIR PROPERTY.

IN MY OPINION, WAY TOO RESTRICTIVE.

WHAT WE FEAR IS WITHOUT SLOWING, IT'S BEEN GOING, EVEN SINCE THE NEW RULES IN PLACE, A LOT OF THOSE APPLICATIONS WERE PENDING PRIOR TO THAT MINE INCLUDED.

IN ONE OF THOSE CERTIFICATORS CERTIFICATED BY HPD TO TEACH THE COURSE.

BUT EVEN AFTER FINALLY GETTING ALL THE RULE APPROVED, WE'VE ONLY GOT 59 PEOPLE.

EVEN THOUGH HUNDREDS OF APPLICATION PENDING.

HPD MORE THAN TYPE TO DO DUE DILIGENCE AND BACKGROUND.

ALREADY IN THEIR SYSTEM BECAUSE WE OWN GUNS HAVEN'T REGISTERED HONOLULU POLICE DEPARTMENT.

GREAT FEAR WITH THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION HAPPENING, WHEN THEY DO PASS A NEW BILL, AND ENACT ADDITIONAL RULES ON TOP OF WHAT HPD ALREADY DID IF HE CHANGE ANYTHING, WE'RE PRETTY SURE HPD IS GOING TO KICK THEM ALL BACK AND HAVE US REAPPLY AGAIN WITH THE UPDATED CHANGES TO THAT.

THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THEY'RE FOLLOWING THE SPIRIT OR LAW OR DECISION OF BRUIN AT ALL.

>>Yunji: MOVE TO CHRIS MARTIN.

VETERAN AND PART OF GROUP.

EVERY TOWN FOR GUN SAFETY.

WHAT ARE YOUR CONCERNS WITH HAWAII RESIDENTS NOW BEING ABLE TO CARRY FIREARMS AND DO YOU THINK THAT PERMITTING PROCESS AS SHE DESCRIBED IS WOULD YOU AGREE THAT IT IS TOO CUMBERSOME AND TOO SLOW WE HAVE SUPREME COURT MAKING DECISION THAT AFFECTS HAWAII'S ABILITY TO SELF‑GOVERN.

OUR ABILITY TO MAKE LAWS, AFFECT OUR CITIZENS.

SOMETHING WE A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED TO SEE AS GENERAL PRINCIPLE.

STATES HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY WE KNOW WHAT IS BEST AND SAFEST FOR OUR CITIZENS.

HAWAII ALWAYS HAD STRONG GUN LAWS.

ISLANDS.

WE HAVE THE LOWEST GUN RATES VIOLENCE IN THE COUNTRY.

BECAUSE OF THOSE LAWS.

NOW WE'RE FORCE TO MAKE CHANGES.

THIS IS THE FIRST LEGISLATIVE SESSION SINCE THE BRUIN DECISION SUPREME COURT.

LEGISLATURE IS DOING ITS JOB.

THEY'RE SAYING WE NEVER HAD TO HAVE LAWS ABOUT WHERE PEOPLE COULD CONCEAL CARRY A WEAPON BECAUSE PEOPLE JUST WEREN'T DOING THAT.

WE HAVE A TON OF PEOPLE IN HAWAII WOULD WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHERE GUNS ARE GOING TO BE.

>> SO THEY CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE THEIR KIDS ARE GOING TO BE SAFE AND SAFE THEMSELVES.

I LIKE TO POINT OUT ALL THE TIME, VETERAN, ONE PLACE YOU WON'T SEE GUNS CARRIED IS ON SCHOFIELD, JOINT BASE PEARL HARBOR HICKAM OR MARINE CORPS BASE HAWAII.

MILITARY DOESN'T THINK THAT LETTING PEOPLE CARRY THEIR OWN PERSONAL FIREARMS IS A GOOD IDEA.

OUR NATION'S PROFESSION OF ARMS KIND OF TOLD US WE KNOW THAT THESE THESE KNOW HOW TO USE GUNS.

>> DON'T NEED TO BE CARRYING THEM ON BASE.

WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SOME CHANGE LOOKING AT LESS THAN 1/10 OF 1% OF THE CITIZENS OF HAWAII APPLYING FOR THESE PERMITS.

THEY HAVE TO WAIT A LITTLE BIT.

THAT'S FINE.

REAP THEY HAVE TO WAIT TO GET THEIR PERMIT IT'S GET CERTIFIED SO WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT DANGEROUS PEOPLE.

WE KNOW THAT THEY ARE TRAINED.

WE KNOW THAT THIS RE SAFE.

GOING TO KEEP OUR CITIZENS OUR CHILDREN, EVERYBODY IN HAWAII SAFE IN PARADIGM THAT WE'RE JUSTIN NOT USED TO.

LEGISLATURE, AND THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD ARE MAKING THESE RULES HAVE DONE A LOT OF DUE DILIGENCE.

RELATIVELY COMPRESSED AMOUNT OF TIME I HAVE MAKING GOOD LAWS AND RULES.

LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING.

WHERE WOULD GUNS MAKE A SITUATION MORE DANGEROUS?

SCHOOLS?

PARKS?

CROWDED AREAS.

GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS PROTESTS LIKE THESE ARE PLACES WHERE THE PRESENCE OF GUNS WILL MAKE IT MORE DANGEROUS FOR EVERYONE SO LET'S RESTRICT THOSE.

AND DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB.

>>Yunji: TALK TO SOMEONE WHOSE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD ON THAT.

TYLER DOS SANTOS TAM.

COUNCILMEMBER AND CHAIR OF LEGAL AFFAIRS COMMITTEE FOR THE HONOLULU CITY COUNCIL.

YOU CHAMPIONED BILL 57.

WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE TOP.

HOW DID YOU CREATE THAT LIST OF PLACES WHERE YOU THINK GUNS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.

>> WHAT IS SORT OF THINKING BEHIND THAT.

>> THIS BILL CAME TO THE KAUPO FROM MAYOR BLANGIARDI BACK IN NOVEMBER TO THE COUNCIL.

OVER COURSE FIVE HEARING CHANCE TO HEAR PEOPLE BOTH SIDES WHICH PLACES SHOULD BE CONSIDERED SENSITIVE PLACES TOOK THE NARROW LIST.

INPUT FROM PUBLIC.

ADDED IN HOSPITALS.

VERY REASONABLE PLACE TO CONSIDER AS A SENSITIVE PLACE.

SOME OF THINGS MAYOR PROPOSED MADE MORE NARROW AND SPECIFIC.

PEOPLE INCLUDING KAINOA.

DOING CONCEALED CARRY WOULDN'T BE INADVERTENTLY IN VIOLENCE OF THE LAW.

BALANCE TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE AN CLEAR ANYONE WHO HAS LICENSE WHERE YOU CAN DO CONCEALED CARRY AND WHERE YOU CAN'T.

FOR EXAMPLE, WE LOOKED AT SITUATION LIKE PARADE OR MARATHON.

DO YOU WANT TO HAVE 26‑MILES OF SENSITIVE PLACE ALONG MARATHON ROUTE?

SAID, WHY DON'T WE DO IT IN A REASONABLE WAY.

SAY, WHERE THERE'S PARTICIPANTS, THAT'S WHERE IT IS AND ONCE THEY'RE THROUGH, THAT'S FINE.

SIMILARLY, AROUND POLLING PLACES.

YOU HAVE 200‑FOOT BARRIER FOR ELECTION HEARING ALREADY.

SINCE SAME VAIN.

DON'T WANT PEOPLE THREATENING DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.

OF COURSE PEOPLE LIVE IN THOSE AREAS.

HAVE A WAY FOR PEOPLE TO TRAVERSE.

BALANCED APPROACH.

SCHOOLS, PARKS, HOSPITALS, LARGE PUBLIC GATHERING, AS WELL AS BUSINESSES THAT SERVE ALCOHOL.

WE KNOW THAT THAT CREATES A HIGH RISK SITUATION.

SO WE TRIED TO STRIKE THAT BALANCE AND IDENTIFY THOSE 13 PLACES.

>>Yunji: THERE WERE OF COURSE PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH YOU ON THE COUNCIL ITSELF.

THREE CITY COUNCILMEMBERS VOTED AGAINST THE MEASURE.

ANDRIA TUPOLA, AUGIE TULBA AND VAL OKIMOTO WE INVITED ALL THREE COUNCILMEMBERS TO JOIN US.

PRIOR ENGAGEMENTS, COULDN'T GET HERE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE UNDERSTAND AS PART OF THE OPPOSITION THAT THERE IS A FEELING EVEN THOUGH YOU SAID YOU DID TRY TO TARGET SOME OF THIS, IT IS JUST TOO BROAD.

WHAT DO YOU SAY IT IT.

>> I THINK POLICY QUESTION.

AS CHRIS MENTIONED, HAWAII HAS WILL HISTORY OF STRONG GUN LAWS AND THAT'S RESULTED IN US HAVING LOWEST RATE OF GUN VIOLENCE IN THE COUNTRY.

SO WE WANTED TO CONTINUE WITH THAT TREND.

WE DIDN'T WANT TO OPEN IT UP AND CREATE A SITUATION WHERE WE COULD HAVE LIKE MANY OTHER STATES, TRAGIC OCCURRENCE IN BUSINESS.

IN A SCHOOL.

NOW, TO THE POINT OF BUSINESSES, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAD TO GRAPPLE WITH WHETHER FOR BUSINESSES, THEY SHOULD BE FORCED TO ALLOW GUNS WITHIN THEIR PREMISES.

OR WHETHER THAT SHOULD BE A CHOICE.

BIG ISLAND CHOOSE TO ALLOW BUSINESS GUN INTO BUSINESS.

UNLESS THEY SAY NO.

HOTELS RESTAURANTS SO MANY PRIVATE BUSINESSES WITH ALL DIFFERENT KINDS APPROACHES WE LEFT UP TO THE BUSINESSES TO SAY, GO WE WANT TO WELCOME IT, YOU CAN DO THAT.

IF YOU WANT TO PROHIBIT IT, CAN YOU ALSO DO THAT.

WE ALSO PUT IN RULES FOR SIGNAGE.

DEFAULT RIGHT NOW IS IT IS PROHIBIT IN A PRIVATE BUSINESS.

JUST ELIJAH ANY OTHER PRIVATE PROPERTY.

UNLESS THAT PROPERTY OWNER GIVES A FIRM TESTIFY CONSENT TO DO CONCEALED CARRY WITHIN THEIR PROPERTY.

>>Yunji: YOU BRING UP INTERESTING POINT.

THERE IS THIS DISCREPANCY WE SEE BETWEEN OUR COUNTY AND HAWAII COUNTY AND THAT IS WHERE I WANT TO BRING IN SENATOR RHOADS YOU OF THE STATE LEGISLATURE WORKING ON A LAW THAT COVER THE WHOLE STATE.

IT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE COUNTY BY COUNTY.

WHY DO YOU THINK IS BETTER REGULATED STATE LEVEL.

>> NOT SURE IT SHOULD BE COMPLETELY REGULATE THE STATE LEVEL.

UP IN THE AIR WHAT IF ANYTHING PASSES FROM THE LEGISLATURE.

WE'LL KNOW BY END OF THE MONTH.

BUT I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE SAID FOR HAVING RULES THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO A COUNTY.

BECAUSE THEY HAVE SPECIFIC SITUATIONS THAT THEY HAD TO DEAL WITH.

I THINK FOR EXAMPLE, COUNCILMEMBER SAID.

>> OPENING HANAUMA BAY WAS AREA THAT WE'RE GOING BE CONSIDERED SENSITIVE PLACE.

HAWAII COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE HANAUMA BAY.

SO I THINK THERE IS SOME LOGIC IN THE STATE SETTING A FLOOR.

AND IF THE, IF CONSTITUTIONALLY, THE COUNTIES CAN GO FARTHER, THEY FEEL I CAN IT'S APPROPRIATE, THAT'S OKAY.

WITH YOU THAT EVEN THAT QUESTION HAS NOT BEEN DECIDED FINALLY AT THE LEGISLATURE.

MY COLLEAGUES DON'T ALL AGREE WITH ME ABOUT THAT.

SOME THINK IT SHOULD JUST BE ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE STATE.

EXACTLY THE SAME.

>>Yunji: YOU'RE SAYING THAT BASICALLY, YOU WOULD HAVE TWO SET OF REGULATIONS.

STATE, REGULATIONS AND THEN REGULATIONS IF THE COUNTY WANT GO MORE OUR YEAH, CONSIDERED SENSITIVE THEY COULD DO THAT.

>> ASSUMING WHATEVER THEY WERE PROPOSING CONSTITUTIONAL UNDER THE BRUIN CASE.

SO I MEAN, NOT UNCOMMON.

OTHER KIND OF REGULATIONS THAT ARE LIKE THAT.

WHERE YOU KNOW, COUNTY HAS A WHOLE SET OF EXTRA CRIMES THAT WE DON'T HAVE AT THE STATE LEVEL.

AND SO IT'S NOT UNUSUAL TO HAVE ADDITIONAL OR RELATED ITEMS ON ANY TOPIC.

THINK STATE OR COUNTY SHOULD HAVE THESE KIND OF RESTRICTION IN PLACE.

>> JANUARY 18, LEGISLATORS TAKE OATH TO DEFEND CONSTITUTION.

DEATHS TO THE CONSTITUTION.

WHICH SAYS SECOND AMENDMENT, WELL REGULATED MILITIA BEING NECESSARY TO SECURITY OF FREE STATE, RIGHT OF PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

>> COUNTIES, SENATE OR CITY & COUNTY TRYING TO INFRINGE UPON THOSE RIGHTS CHECK CONSTITUTIONAL OATH THEY TOOK.

>>Yunji: YOU FEEL THAT ANY KIND OF SENSITIVE PLACES SOLUTION INFRINGING ON INDIVIDUAL'S RIGHTS.

>> TO READ AGAIN SECOND AMENDMENT.

WELL REGULAR PLAYED MILITIA NECESSARY TO THE SECURITY OF FREE STATE, RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

TOOK AN OATH DO THAT WE NEED TO DO OUR JOB AND PREVENT INFRINGEMENT.

>>Yunji: BRING IN AN ATTORNEY.

WHO IS WELL VERSED IN THIS ISSUE.

JAMES HOCHBERG ATTORNEY SUED ON BEHALF OF HAWAII GUN OWNERS IN THE PAST.

TELL US WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ON THE SENSITIVE PLACES LEGISLATION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.

>> I WOULD LOVE TO.

LISTENING TO MY COLLEAGUES HERE, EVERYBODY IS MISSING ONE POINT.

EXCEPT FOR REPRESENTATIVE.

>> THIS IS A FEDERAL CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.

SO THE LEGISLATURE, COUNTY COUNCIL, THEY REGULATE THINGS ALL THE TIME.

THEY LEGISLATE, THEY CREATE RULAL LAWS.

BUT THEY CAN'T DO IT IF IT INVITES FEDERAL CONSTITUTION.

THAT KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE.

BECAUSE SPEAK LAST YEAR IN BRUIN MADE IT VERY CLEAR.

>> SUPREME COURT MADE IT CLEAR AND TRADITION AND HISTORY UNDER THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION WILL GUIDE WEATHER SOMETHING IS AND UNDUE BURDEN ON THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS OR IS NOT.

KIND OF LIKE REMEMBER BACK TO 1973.

ROE VS. WADE.

SUPREME COURT SAID THAT'S A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.

AND FOR 50 YEARS, LOCALITIES WERE LEGISLATING THINLY TO MAKE RESTRICTION.

LAWSUITS FILED.

COURTS ANSWERED.

WAS IT UNDUE BURDEN OR NOT?

KIND OF EMBARKING ON WITH SECOND AMENDMENT, THE SAME PROCESS.

THE INTERESTING THING IS IF PEOPLE CAN ACCEPT THAT, BECAUSE SOME KIND OF A FLASHY POINT, BUT IF THEY CAN ACCEPT THAT, WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT WE DO WANT TO PROTECT CONSTITUTIONAL CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO THE GOVERNMENT.

THAT'S WHAT IS THE CONSTITUTION OF UNITED STATES IS FOR.

PROTECT INDIVIDUALS FROM THE GOVERNMENT.

IF FACT, I CO‑COUNSELED LIVINGSTON VERSUS, AT THE END, NEW CHIEF OF POLICE, YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE NAME OF THE CASE TO ACHIEVE THE CHANGES.

WE GOT STATE OF HAWAII, OLD STANDARD IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

LED TO WHAT HAPPENED IN THE HPD.

AND GOING ON NOW IN THE STATE.

SO SECOND AMENDMENT LAW CENTER IS NONPROFIT CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION THAT WILL RECEIVE CONTRIBUTIONS.

2ALC.ORG TO HELP FUND LITIGATION HERE SECOND AMENDMENT, CONSTITUTIONAL LITIGATION TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER THE COUNTY, POLICE DEPARTMENT, OR THE STATE, COME UP WITH, IN TERMS OF THEIR REGULATIONS, STICK WITH THE STANDARD ADDRESSED BY THE SUPREME COURT.

UNFORTUNATELY, FOR HAWAII, WHEN IT BECAME A STATE, LONG PAST REVOLUTIONARY WAR AND CIVIL WAR PERIOD.

SUPREME COURT FOCUS ON THE FOR THE TRADITION AND HISTORY.

LCOUNCILMAN CORRECT.

HAWAII HAD A LONG LOOK INTO THE KINGDOM DAYS AND REPUBLIC DAYS GUN REGULATION.

WHEN THE CONGRESS PASSED ORGANIC ACT, THEY EXPLICITLY REPEALED FIREARMS LAWS IN THE REPUBLIC OF HAWAII.

BECAUSE IT DIDN'T SQUARE WITH THE CONSTITUTION.

SO THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

>>Yunji: I WANT TO BRING IN ACTUALLY THE QUOTE FROM THE BRUIN DEICISION.

HES TO THE QUESTION WHETHER SENSITIVE PLACES ABLE TO WITHSTAND COURT CHALLENGE.

QUOTE LED TO THE BRUIN DECISION.

JUSTICE BRETT KAVANAUGH VOTING ANTON SCALIA.

NOTHING IN OUR OPINION SHOULD BE TAKEN TO CAST DOWNTOWN LONGSTANDING PROHIBITIONS ON THE POSSESSION OF FIREARMS BY FELONS MENTALLY ILL, SENSITIVE PLACES SUCH AT SCHOOL AND GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS.

TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IF YOU THINK THAT THESE LAWS ACTUALLY CAN HOLD UP.

RANDALL LEE, THOSE FOLKS UNDERSTAND WHO WE'RE TALK TO TONIGHT.

CIRCUIT COURT JUDGE.

PROFESSOR AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE AT HAWAII PACIFIC UNIVERSITY.

GIVE THEM A QUOTE AND ALL WE HEARD TONIGHT.

DO YOU THINK THAT THESE LAWS WILL BE ABLE TO STAND UP?

>> WHETHER WE AGREE WITH THE SUPREME COURT OR DISAGREE, IT'S THE LAW OF THE LAND.

WE HAVE TO FOLLOW IT.

THE BRUIN DECISION WAS OFFSHOOT OF TWO OTHER DECISIONS.

MCDONALD DECISION, THAT SAID, PEPPER SECOND AMENDMENTS SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT WAS A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT AND APPLICABLE TO THE STATE.

THE MCDONALD DECISION ALSO RECOGNIZED THAT WAS IMPORTANT THAT PERSON SHOULD ABLE TO HAVE A GUN, FOR SELF‑DEFENSE.

>> THE HELLER DECISION, AFFIRMED THT POSITION, AND BASICALLY, SAID GOVERNMENT CANNOT RESTRICT YOU HOW YOU WANT TO HAVE A GUN IN YOUR OWN HOME.

THE BRUIN DECISION ACTUALLY EXPANDED THAT.

AN NOW, SAID DANGERS IN THE HOME CAN ALSO EXTEND OUTSIDE OF THE HOME.

THEREFORE, THE SECOND AMENDMENT APPLIES TO PUBLIC PLACES, OUTSIDE OF THE HOME.

THAT BEING SAID, BRUIN DECISION ALSO SAID, THAT'S SECOND AMENDMENT IS NOT ABSOLUTE.

WHICH MEANS, THEY ARE, GOVERNMENT CAN RESTRICT POSSESSION OF FIREARM.

SO RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT.

HOWEVER, THE PROBLEM WITH THE BRUIN CASE WAS THAT IT DIDN'T GIVE US MUCH LEEWAY IN TERMS OF WHAT CONSTITUTES SENSITIVE PLACE.

I HEAR COUNCILMAN SAY, WELL, WE MET AND DECIDED WHAT PLACES WE SHOULD RESTRICT.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT DOESN'T MEET THE BRUIN TEST.

THE BRUIN TEST SAYS, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE HISTORICAL AND TRADITIONAL HISTORY OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT.

DID YOU DIDN'T CONSIDER THAT, THE BRUIN CASE BASICALLY SAID, ANY LAW THAT RESTRICTS THAT, WILL BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

>>Yunji: DO YOU EXPECT ALL OF THESE MEASURES TO BE OVERTURNED?

>> WELL, I EXPECT SOME OF IT WILL BE EVERTURNED.

BECAUSE IT'S TOO BROAD.

OVERTURNED.

WHETHER OR NOT THE APPLIED THE TEST IF BRUIN, HOWEVER, THE DANGER IS WHEN WE SUBMIT A WHOLE SALE BILL, RESTRICTING DIFFERENT PLACES BEACHES, PARKS, SIDEWALKS, BUILDINGS, LIKE THAT, YOU MAY ACTUALLY GET A LAW, IT'S GOING TO BE A APPEALED.

MAY GET A LAW THAT YOU DON'T WANT.

NAMELY, SUPREME COURT MAY SAY, SUPREME COURT MAY SAY THAT SIDEWALKS ARE NOT SENSITIVE PLACE, POINT YOU'RE STUCK.

SO ALREADY SAID SCHOOLS, COURTS, GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS, POLLING PLACES, AND THE BRUIN CASE, BASICALLY, TOLD THE STATES, USE THAT AS A ANALOGOUS TYPE OF DETERMINATION FOR SENSITIVE PLACE.

ALSO SAID MERE FACT THAT A PLACE IS HIGHLY POPULATED, THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT'S A SENSITIVE PLACE.

LOGIC WAS IF YOU'RE GOING TO SAY, WELL, A LOT OF PEOPLE GO TO THE PARK, ELIMINATING SECOND AMENDMENT.

YOU'RE RESTRICTING IT.

IT'S TRUE TOO GOVERNMENT HAS THE BURDEN OF PROVING PART OF TRADITION AND HISTORY, BRUIN SAID PERSON'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT WITH WITHSTAND ANY RESTRICTION UNLESS THE GOVERNMENT CAN PROVE THAT HISTORICALLY, AND TRADITIONALLY IN THE FRAMING OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT, THIS IS WHAT OUR FOUNDING FATHERS WANTED TO RESTRICT.

FATHERS WANTED TO RESTRICT.

WHY WE HAVE WHAT WE HAVE TODAY.

ALSO SAID, DANGERS ON THE SIDEWALK IS JUST AS DANGEROUS AS IN AN APARTMENT OR HOUSE.

THEY BASICALLY SIGNIFIED THAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO CARRY A GUN ON THE SIDEWALK, IN PUBLIC.

BECAUSE OF THE DANGERS.

THAT YOU MAY NEED A GUN FOR SELF‑DEFENSE.

INTO QUESTIONS FROM OUR AUDIENCE ARE PILING IN.

I WANT TO RESPECT THEM AND BRING THEM INTO OUR TOWN HALL IN JUST A MOMENT.

FIRST I WANT TO GO TO KEO COLLEGE STUDENT AND MEMBER OF THE STUDENT DEMAND ACTION HAWAII.

KAUA ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THE SENSITIVE PLACE LAW AND DO YOU FEEL THAT HAVING SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN PLACE MAKES YOUR CAMPUS SAFER?

>> THANKS FOR THE QUESTION.

YOU KIND OF WANT TO ECHO WHAT CHRIS SAID EARLIER.

WE'VE HAD REALLY STRONG GUN LAWS AND IN PART, THAT HAS BEEN REALLY EFFECTIVE TO NOT HAVE AS MANY GUN VIOLENCE INCIDENTS IN OUR STATE.

AND YOU KNOW, IT RELATES TO SENSITIVE PLACES, THERE IS A REALLY GOOD REASON WHY WE SHOULD HAVE SCHOOLS AS A SENSITIVE PLACE.

STUDENTS DEMAND ACTION, REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE GUN VIOLENCE THAT WE SEE ON THE MAINLAND.

VIOLENCE.

MASS SHOOTINGS AT SCHOOL, ARE TRAGEDIES WE DON'T WENT THAT HERE.

AND TAKE A COLLEGE SETTING FOR EXAMPLE.

HAVE AS MANY AS 100 STUDENTS OR EVEN MORE IN JUST ONE CLASSROOM.

THERE'S REALLY NO GOOD COMMON SENSE AS TO WHY WE SHOULD GO TO CLASS AND BE SCARED WHETHER SOMEONE ON OUR LEFT OR OUR RIGHT MIGHT BE TAKING CLASS WITH US BUT HAVE A FIREARM IN THEIR POSSESSION.

I MEAN, THINK THAT MAKES IT REALLY UNHEALTHY ENVIRONMENT.

AND REALLY JUST ANXIETY INDUCING FOR A LEARNING ENVIRONMENT.

>>Yunji: LET'S GET TO SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS.

DAWN HAS THIS QUESTION.

I WOULD LIKE YOU TO TAKE THIS ONE.

>> I THINK GOVERNMENT SHOULD RESTRICT GUNS ARE ALLOWED FOR THOSE WHO DO OWNS GUNS LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU FEEL THE NEED TO HAVE A CARRY CONCEALED GUN.

>> SURE.

WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK IT'S COMPLETELY NONSENSICAL THAT IF SOMEONE WHO HAS GONE THROUGH BACKGROUND CHECKS, GONE THROUGH TRAINING CARRYING GUN, WHY ARE YOU SCARED OF THEM?

IT'S NOT THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMMITTING CRIMES AND SCHOOLS.

EVEN IF THERE'S A LAW SAYING YOU CAN'T BRING A GUN TO A SCHOOL, I DON'T THINK MASS SHOOTERS RESPECT THAT LAW.

DO THEY?

NO.

SO GUNSRY APP IS TO GAP.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, SECOND AMENDMENT IS ABOUT PREVENTING TYRANNY.

THIS IS TYRANNY AT EVERY SINGLE LEVEL.

TYRANNY FROM YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT, PREVENTING TYRANNY FROM A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT.

OR PREVENTING EVERY DAY TIER ANY OF CRIMINAL THAT WANTS TO MURDER YOU KILL YOU, RAPE YOU OR STEAL YOUR STUFF, JACK YOUR CAR.

I'M NOT A CRIMINAL.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR REASON IS FOR DOING WHAT THEY DID.

BY DEFINITION CRIMINAL AND NOT GOING THROUGH THEIR BACKGROUND COLLECTION TO GET THEIR FIREARMS.

>> AND IF GUN LAWS ARE SO EFFECTIVE, WHY DO WE SEE GUN CLAIM?

THESE AREN'T CONCEALED CARRIES ON THE STREET COMMITTING CRIMES WITH GUNS ILLEGALLY.

SHOOTERS ON TANTALUS.

21‑YEAR‑OLD OF PARENT OR MOTHER AND STEPFATHER HPD.

SHOOTING ALSO NOT SOMEONE 21 YEARS OLD.

NEITHER OF THESE PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO CARRY GUNS.

BUT SOMEHOW THEY WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN THEM COMMIT CRIMES WITH THEM.

COLLEAGUES THAT I TRAIN WITH, THAT ARE ALSO VETERANS, LIKE CHRIS, WE JUST HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION WE DON'T FEEL THAT WE SHOULD RELY ON SOMEONE ELSE FOR OUR PROTECTION.

ESPECIALLY SINCE THE SUPREME COURT HAS DECIDED THAT THE POLICE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR SAFETY.

THEY HAVE NO LEGAL BURDEN TO PROTECT YOU UNLESS YOU'RE DIRECTLY RELATED TO AN OFFICER.

THEY DO NOT NEED PROTECT YOU.

SO IF THEY DON'T NEED TO PROTECT ME, AND THEIR MINUTES AWAY, WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS, SHOULDN'T I BE ALLOWED TO PROTECT MYSELF?

>>Yunji: I WANT TO BRING IN MARK FROM WAIALUA BEFORE YOU GO THERE.

GUN CONTROL SHOULD START AT HOME WITH PARENTS EDUCATING CHILDREN.

GOVERNMENT, SHOULDN'T HAVE A SAY AS THEY WILL NOT DO A GOOD JOB.

I WOULD LIKE YOU TO RESPOND TO WHAT HE SAID AN ALSO, WHAT TO HER POINT.

>> COUPLE OF THING.

KAINOA NAMED TWO SHOOTING MOST OF US AN PROBABLY A LOT OF VIEWERS ARE FAMILIAR WITH.

LIVED ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE COUNTRY.

COULDN'T NAME TWO SHOOTINGS.

I REMEMBER THOSE.

HAPPENING EVERY SINGLE DAY IN STATES HAVE MUCH MORE PERMISSIVE GONE LAWS THAN HAWAII.

WE HAVE LOW GUN VIOLENCE BECAUSE WE HAVE STRONG GUN LAWS.

LESS GUNS.

KAINOA ALSO TOLD YOU‑‑ >> DO YOU INCLUDE CHICAGO AND DETROIT?

GUN LAWS.

>> LACK TERRESTRIAL BORDER TO STATES THAT HAVE PERMISSIVE GUN LAWS.

TOLD US HE'S NOT A CRIMINAL.

I BELIEVE HIM.

I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT KAINOA.

I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT PEOPLE HE TRAINED WITH.

ALL THE FOLKS TESTIFYING BEFORE THE LEGISLATURE.

THESE THINGS.

THEY BELIEVE IN TRAINING.

THEY BELIEVE IN SAFETY.

THEY BELIEVE IN ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THEIR FIREARMS.

THAT'S WHAT I LEARNED MILITARY.

THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE GOOD CITIZENS IN COMES TO CARRYING FIREARMS.

BUT SENATOR RHODES, COUNCILMEMBER TYLER DOS SANTOS TAM, THEY DO NOT KNOW KAINOA WELL ENOUGH TO KNOW HE'S A CRIMINAL OR NOT.

HE HAS TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS.

FOR TO US FIGURE THAT OUT.

THAT'S WHAT THIS LAW ESTABLISHES.

IT MAKES SURE IN A THE PEOPLE THAT KAINOA WANT TO KEEP OUT OF HIS SCHOOL, PEOPLE THAT CRIMINALS DO NOT GET THEIR HANDS ON GUNS, THAT IS WHY WE ESTABLISH THESE RULES AS A WAY OF BACKGROUND CHECKS, SAFETY TRAINING.

DON'T DANGEROUS PEOPLE DON'T HAVE GUN.

GOVERNMENT HAS TO MAKE THE LAW FOR EVERYBODY.

>> KAKOU.

ALL OF US.

GOVERNMENT HAS TO MAKE THE LAW FOR EVERYBODY OF NOT JUST FOR KAINOA AND GUN AFICIONADOS.

CITIZENS THATARE SAFE DOES BEGIN AT HOME.

ALSO NEEDS TO BE OVERSEEN BY OUR LAWMAKERS.

THEY HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO US AND WE HAVE A LAWMAKER HERE READ SECOND AMENDMENT TWICE AND THE FIRST WORDS SECOND AMENDMENT WELL REGULATE.

LAWMAKER HE HAS AN OBLIGATION TO REGULATED IN ORDER TO PROTECT HIS CONSTITUENTS.

>>Yunji: SENATOR RHODES.

>> ARGUMENT IS KARL RHOADS, I DON'T THINK OF PARTICULAR GOOD ONE.

THE SYSTEM WE HAVE RIGHT NOW HAS MADE US WANT SAFEST STATES?

THE UNION.

PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE GUNS ALREADY HAVE THEM.

THERE'S MORE GUNS THAN PEOPLE IN HAWAII.

SHOULD MAKE US EXTREMELY SAFE PLACE.

WE ARE EXTREMELY SAFE PLACE.

GUN PROTECTION LAWS GEOGRAPHICAL ISOLATION.

CHICAGO DOESN'T DO WELL.

GOOD GUN LAW.

INDIANA DOESN'T HAVE.

BY BUY GUNS SHOOT EACH OTHER IN CHICAGO.

TRUE PART OF IT ATTITUDE.

>> WE DON'T IMMEDIATELY REACH FOR A GUN WHEN WE HAVE A BEEF.

BUT THE THREE THINGS TOGETHER HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.

LIKE WE'RE NUMBER ONE IN SOMETHING.

AND THE SUPREME COURT COMES IN AND SAYS, WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE INTERPRETATION.

PUT INTERPRETATION OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT THAT HAS NEVER, EVER BEFORE IN THE HISTORY OF COUNTRY EXISTED.

>> TAKE AWAY SOMETHING WE'RE REALLY GOOD AT.

PROTECTING YOURSELF FROM GUN VIOLENCE.

>>Yunji: GET TO YOU IN A MOMENT.

I WANT TO BRING THIS ONE IN.

TED VIA EMAIL, SAYS, I AGREE GUNS ARE NOT NEEDED IN GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS.

BUT THERE ARE AREAS OF HIGH CRIME WHERE ATTACKS HAPPENED.

BEACH, PARKS, AND WHERE I AM MOST AFRAID.

THAT IS GOING TO MY CAR IN THE PARKING LOT AT NIGHT AFTER LEAVING RESTAURANT OR A BAR.

OTHERWISE, NO NEED FOR A FIREARM.

TYLER DOS SANTOS TAM WHAT DO YOU SAY AT THAT TO TED HE FEELS LIKE A PLACE HE COULD PERHAPS NEED A GUN MOST, WON'T BE ABLE TO HAVE ONE.

>> THIS WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME BEFORE US.

IN THE FIVE HEARINGS THAT WE WILL ON BILL 57.

AGAIN, SENSITIVE PLACE.

GOES THROUGH TRAINING CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT AND PARK HIS CAR AND TRAVERSING THROUGH PARKING LOT, WE PUT IN SPECIFIC RULES AROUND THAT SO THAT HE CAN UNLOAD IT OR TAKE IT OUT AND CARRY IT ON HIM.

SO WE TRY TO AT LEAST BE REASONABLE HERE.

TO CHRIS POINT, WE'RE MAKING LAWS FOR EVERYBODY ACROSS THE BOARD.

FOR US, DETERMINATION FOLLOWS THE CRITERIA IN BRUIN INCLUDES PLACES FREQUENTED BY CHILDREN, LOOK AT ANALAGOUS REASONING.

OF COURSE, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE CONCEPT OF PUBLIC PARKS PER SE.

WE HAD TOWN FAIR AND MARKETS.

>> AND MANY OF THE COLONIES BACK IN THE REVOLUTIONARY TIME AND CIVIL WARTIME.

REGULAR PLAYED WHAT YOU CAN DO IN A PUBLIC SQUARE SETTING LIKE THAT.

USING THAT ANALAGOUS REASONING COME UP WITH RULE.

PEOPLE MAY DISAGREE AND TAKE IT TO COURT.

THIS DOESN'T MEAN MY INTERPRETATION OF WHAT THE COLONIES DID AT THE TIME WHILE IT DID IN THE POST CIVIL WAR ERA.

WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT IS BEST FOR US AS ISLAND COMMUNITY.

WHAT IS BEST FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WE REPRESENT, AND AGAIN, SO SCHOOL, HOSPITALS, PARKS, HOSPITAL WEREN'T SAID BY THE SUPREME COURT PER SE.

HISTORICAL TRADITION, LAWS FROM THE POST CIVIL WARERA WHOLE WEALTH OF OTHER POLICIES THAT POINT TO THE FACT THAT GOVERNMENT CAN SAY, PLACE LIKE A HOSPITAL, WE WANT TO DECLARE SENSITIVE PLACE.

>>Yunji: I WANT TO GET TO YOU.

I WOULD LIKE YOU TO ANSWER SHARON IN MAY MANOA.

JUST AWE COMMENT.

WHERE THIS WILL LEAD TO DEATH BECAUSE THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE HOT HEAD.

ER AFRAID MAKE US LIKE THE MAINLAND.

OUR INCLINATION IS NOT TO REACH FOR A WEAPON.

>> HOT HEADS AREN'T GOING TO DO WELL WITH BUYING A GUN IN HAWAII.

BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO ACQUIRE A FIREARM.

YOU HAVE TO QUALIFY.

IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOREVER.

THEN IF YOU WANT TO CARRY, YOU ALREADY QUALIFIED TO OWN IT.

IF YOU'RE A HOT HEAD, THE QUALIFICATION INCLUDES GETTING LETTER FROM YOUR DOC SAYING THAT YOU'RE OKAY TO GET 'GUN.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE WHAT SENATORS RHOADS IS SAYING.

>> PEOPLE IN CHICAGO ARE GOING TO AS THE CROSS STATE LINE INDIANA WITH NO REQUIREMENTS PICKING UP FIREARMS, BRINGING THEM BACK TO CHICAGO.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

THEY'RE REALLY HOLDING THOSE ILLEGALLY HOLDING THOSE FIREARMS IN CHICAGO.

THEY'RE CRIMINAL.

>> CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS REASON PEOPLE ARE GOING TO START GETTING MURDERED AND HURT WITH FIREARMS IN HAWAII.

BEFORE LAST NOVEMBER NEVER HAD A SHOOTING IN THE STATE.

A LOT OF SHOOTING IN THE STATE.

IT'S NOT THE CARRIER.

>> IT'S THE CARRY PERMIT.

IT'S THE CRIMINAL WITH THE FIREARM.

>>Yunji: I WANT TO BRING IN POLICE DEPARTMENT ON THIS ONE.

HOW MANY OF THESE LAWS RAYA RESTRICTIONS STOP CRIME.

WILL CRIMINALS FOLLOW THESE LAWS.

I AM INTERESTED IN THE BURDEN THIS PLACES ON LAW ENFORCEMENT.

BOTH HAVING MORE GUNS IN THE COMMUNITY, AND THEN ALSO, HAVING TO ENFORCE SOMETHING LIKE BILL 57.

>>FIRST OF ALL, HPD, MAJOR LAWS LEAVE THEM TO THE SMART PEOPLE HERE.

WE HAVE TO ENFORCE THEM.

WITH THIS BEING ALL NEW GROUND WE FEEL THAT OUR STANCE IS THAT WE JUST WANT SOMETHING CLEAR COMMUNITY, EVERYONE CAN UNDERSTAND.

THEN ALSO, THER PERMIT CARRY PEOPLE.

SO LIKELY SENSE TO CARRY, WHETHER YOU'RE LICENSE TO CARRY OR PERSON OF THE COMMUNITY, WE WANT SOMETHING CLEAR THAT EVERYBODY CAN UNDERSTAND.

>> WE WANT IT STATEWIDE.

SO THAT'S UNIFORM.

AND THAT OUR OFFICERS WHEN THEY HAVE TO GO SOMETHING, THAT THEY KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO.

SO LET'S SAY, JUST WALK US THROUGH.

NOW THAT YOU SAID ABOUT 50 OR SO PEOPLE NOW HAVE THESE WEAPONS.

IF I'M A RESTAURANT, SUPPOSED TO BE CONCEALED.

I CAN SEE IT.

THAT PERSON BREAKING LAW?

>> AT THIS POINT IN TIME, DON'T HAVE LEGISLATION THAT PROHIBITS THAT.

SO WE'RE CLOSELY FOLLOWING SENATOR RHOADS BILL AND THERE'S A COUPLE BILLS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.

THAT WE ARE, HPD IS ALSO PART OF THAT.

WE'RE ASKING THE LEGISLATORS TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE BILL.

>>Yunji: I WANT TO GO TO THE JUDGE ON THAT.

WHERE DO YOU THINK THIS WILL ALL SHAKE OUT.

>> ENFORCEMENT ISSUE IS A BIG ISSUE.

BY DESIGNATED CERTAIN PLACES SENSITIVE PLACES, ARE WE NOW ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THESE PLACES HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR DANGER AND THEREFORE, DOES GOVERNMENT NOW HAVE TO ENFORCE THAT FREQUENT, DO WE NEED TO PUT METAL DETECTERS INTO GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS?

SO THAT PEOPLE COMING INTO THE GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS, WE CAN ENSURE OUR WORKERS THAT WE DON'T SOMEONE IS NOT HAVING A GUN.

I DON'T KNOW IF PUTTING A SIGN OUT SAYING DON'T COME HERE UNLESS YOU HAVE A LICENSE IS GOING TO REALLY STOP SOMEONE.

AND AGAIN, THE PERSON DOESN'T HAVE TO SHOW YOU THAT ARE LICENSE UNLESS IT'S A LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT'S ASKING YOU.

SO IF A SHOP OWNER WHO SAYS DO YOU HAVE A GUN?

THEY DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER YOU.

BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT.

SO IT RAISES SEVERAL QUESTIONS.

HOW ARE WE GOING ENFORCE THIS?

ARE WE GOING TO WAIT UNTIL SOMETHING UNFORTUNATE HAPPENS BEFORE THE POLICE COME.

SO I THINK IT RAISES BIG CONCERN NOT ONLY DEFINING WHAT SENSITIVE PLACE IS, BUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO PREVENT PEOPLE WITH CARRY PERMIT INTO THESE AREAS.

>>Yunji: I WOULD LOVE TO GET TO YOU REPRESENTATIVE.

PEARL IN KAKAAKO SAY, CONSIDERING SHOOTING IN TENNESSEE EARLIER THIS WEEK, IS IT REALLY THAT IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO CARRY A GUN ANY WAY OR PLEASE, WHY DOES TO SEEM THAT CARRYING A FIREARM IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN PRESERVING LIVES OF THOSE WHO LIVE HERE AND DON'T CARRY WEAPONS.

WHAT DO YOU SAY TO PEARL?

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ASKING THE QUESTION.

SO THE PERSON THAT WAS SHOOTING PEOPLE IN TENNESSEE BROKE ALREADY EXISTING GUN LAWS.

IF WE HAVE TO BUILD MORE GUN LAWS TO PREVENT MORE SHOOTING, THE PERSON THAT DID THE SHOOTING ALREADY BROKE GUN LAW.

WHAT WE NEED IS PEOPLE TO HAVE CONCEALED CARRY PROTECT THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE BREAKING THE LAW.

HAVE GUNS THAT SAVE PEOPLE.

TEACHERS PROTECT THEIR STUDENTS.

FOR WHEN THE PERSON WHO IS CRIMINAL COMES IN TO TRY TO SHOOT THE KIDS.

>>Yunji: WHAT DO YOU ABOUT THAT?

>> I MEAN, I'M SURE CHRIS CAN CHIME IN.

BUT I JUST DON'T QUITE SEE THE COMMON SENSE OF THAT.

I THINK IT IS THE RULE OF GOVERNMENT TO STEP IN AND ADDRESS THE HEALTH WELL‑BEING AND SAFETY OF ITS CITIZENS INCLUDING STUDENTS.

WE MAKE UP THE FUTURE GENERATIONS OF OUR SOCIETY.

AND IF NOT, DO IT AT SCHOOL.

>> THEN WHAT THE THE POINT OF IT?

QUICK ON MASS SHOOTINGS.

GET A LOT OF ATTENTION.

I BELIEVE THIS IS TRUE OF NASHVILLE.

IF IT'S NOT TRUE OF MANY MASS SHOOTING.

THE SHOOTERS DID NOT BREAK GUN LAWS IF THEY ACQUIRE THE GUNS LEGALLY.

IF IT'S EASY TO BUY THEM.

BREAK MURDER LAWS.

THEY COMMITTED HOMICIDE.

IF THEY LEGALLY POSSESS THE GUNS THEY DON'T MAKE A LAW UNTIL THEY SHOOT AND KILL SOMEBODY.

PRETTY CERTAIN THAT'S LEGALLY ACQUIRED GUNS IN NASHVILLE.

DIDN'T BREAK GUN LAW.

DIDN'T EXIST IN NASHVILLE AND TENNESSEE LIKE THEY DO HEAR.

NOT LEGAL TO HAVE THE FIREARMS IN SCHOOL.

>> BREAKS THE LAW MINUTES SHE STEPS ON SCHOOL PROPERTY.

STEPS INTO A SENSITIVE PLACE, EXACT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO LEGISLATE AND CREATE HERE.

>>Yunji: MURDER IS ALSO ILLEGAL.

BUT SHE STILL BROKE THAT LAW.

THE LAWS AREN'T GOING TO STOP MURDER.

THE LAW AREN'T GOING TO STOP MASS SHOOTER.

WE NEED PROTECTORS IN PLACE TO PREVENT MASS SHOOTING.

WAIT THE MINUTES OF THE POLICE OFFICERS TO RESPOND, MORE SHOOTING GOING TO HAPPEN.

WAIT ON MERE SECOND OF ARMED TEACHER TO PROTECT STUDENTS, THEN LIVES ARE BEING SAVED.

>> I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH THE PREMISE.

>> GUN MANUFACTURERS PREMISE ALL OF US IN THIS ROOM HAD A GUN, WE WOULD ALL BE SAFER.

THAT'S JUST NONSENSE.

LOOK AT OTHER COUNTRIES NONE SENSE.

LOOK AT JAPAN, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY HAD PRIME MINISTER SHOT WITH A GHOST GUN WITH MANUFACTURED GUN.

BUT THE YEAR BEFORE THAT, ENTIRE COUNTRY OF JAPAN HAD ONE GUN MURDER.

ONE.

128 MILLION PEOPLE AND THEY HAD ONE MURDER.

ALMOST KNOW ONE OWNS A GUN IN JAPAN.

ANOTHER WAY TO GO AND BE SAFE.

>> WHAT THE REPRESENTATIVE WAS SAYING TRUE.

SAFEST COUNTRY IN WORLD BECAUSE WE HAVE FIVE TIMES AS MANY GUNS IN PRIVATE HANDS PER CAPITA THAN ANYBODY ELSE.

YET WE'RE NOT THE SAFEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.

SO JUST HAVING MORE GUNS, IT DOESN'T WORK.

>> LOGICAL GO THE AREA WAY?

SINCE WE OWN MORE FIREARMS ANYWHERE IN ELSE.

SHOULDN'T BE MOST DANGEROUS COUNTRY ON EARTH.

MOST DANGEROUS COUNTRY.

>> GOOD POINT.

AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT JUST GOES TO SHOW THERE'S MORE THAN ONE FACTOR INVOLVED.

BUT THE WAY THAT SECOND AMENDMENT GUYS USUALLY ARGUE IS CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY.

I HAVE A RIGHT TO CARRY A GUN.

CONSTITUTIONALLY.

WITHOUT ANYTHING BUT IT DOESN'T WORK.

IT DOESN'T MAKE US SAFER.

THERE OR FACTORS INVOLVED.

>>UNFORTUNATE THING IS EVEN THOUGH WE DISAGREE, THAT IS THE LAW.

>> IT IS FOR NOW.

>> ARE WE GOING TO SAY DISREGARD WHAT THE SUPREME COURT HAS TOLD US WHAT THE LAW IS?

NO.

>> LAW ABIDING COUNTRY.

SAID YOU HAVE A RIGHT UNDER THE CONSTITUTION TO SUPREME COURT SAID YOU HAVE A RIGHT UNDER THE CONSTITUTION.

I RESPECT YOUR OPINION IN TERMS OF PROTECTING THE PUBLIC AND AS WELL AS HAVING THE GUN RIGHTS.

THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A BALANCE.

BUT WHICH HAVING JUST WHOLE SALE, WE CAN'T GO INTO A PRIVATE AREA, CAN'T GO INTO A SCHOOL.

WHAT ABOUT SOME PLACE LIKE HAWAII PACIFIC UNIVERSITY.

THEY HAVE CLASSES AT RESTAURANT ROW.

DOES THAT MEAN IF I HAD A CARRY, I CAN'T GO INTO RESTAURANT ROW?

I MEAN, LOOK, I RESPECT THE SENSITIVE PLACE.

I DO.

BUT IT'S THE LAW.

EVEN IF YOU THINK THAT THE TOTALLY WRONG, IT'S THE LAW.

WE HAVE TO FOLLOW IT.

IT SAYS YOU HAVE A RIGHT.

>> I AGREE THAT.

BUT I THINK THAT THE OTHER THING THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT IS WHETHER THAT LAW IS GOING TO ‑‑ I WOULD PREDICT, PROBABLY TOO OLD TO FIND OUT WHETHER I'M GOING TO BE TRUE MANY I WOULD PREDICT IT WITHIN A COUPLE OF DECADES, BRUIN OVERTURNED.

LIBERAL COURT LOOK AT THAT DECISION AND GOES THIS IS RIDICULOUS.

WHY DID WE DECIDE.

LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT.

DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ANY OF THIS STUFF.

>> I AGREE WITH YOU.

ROE VS. WADE, OTHER DIRECTION.

>>Yunji: AND WHAT FOR THE HERE AND NOW, HAVE THE LAWS THAT WE HAVE.

>> THE SUPREME COURT ADDRESS THAT.

THEY SAID, THE REGULATED MILITIA NOT NATIONAL GUARD.

PEOPLE IN THEIR HOME.

>> BEEN INVOLVED.

>> OVERRULED EARLIER CASE TO DO IT.

>>Yunji: MORE VIEWER QUESTIONS FOR THE COUNCILMEMBER MAN.

A LOT OF CONFUSION WHERE PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TON GOES.

SOMEONE OF AIEA.

ALLOWED NUMBER OF PUBLIC HOUSES PROHIBITED LAW ALLOWING PEOPLE CARRYING GUNS INTO PRIVATE PROPERTY.

QUESTION ABOUT THE PERMITS OR SIGNAGE.

THAT YOU WERE GOING TO REQUIRE.

IF I HAVE A BUSINESS AND I DON'T WANT GUNS OR I WELCOME GUNS.

HOW DO I MAKE THAT CLEAR TO PEOPLE?

>> GOING BACK TO THE CONSTITUTION.

GOING BACK TO WHAT THE SUPREME COURT SAID.

IN HELLER DECISION.

YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE A GUN ON YOUR PRIVATE RESIDENT.

WHETHER IS PUBLIC HOUSING, WHETHER THAT'S APARTMENT THAT YOU LEI LEASE HOME THAT YOU OWN YEAR ALLOWED TO DO THAT.

QUESTION ABOUT PUBLIC HOUSING.

YES, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.

>> NOT UNDER SB120 HOUSE DARFT 1.

NO.

RIDE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION YOU CAN'T.

>> I'LL SAY UNDER THAT CURRENT CASE LAW, THAT'S SITUATION, SO TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, ABOUT PUBLIC HOUSING THAT'S THAT.

PRIVATE PROPERTY, WE ARE COUNTRY OF LAWS AND PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS IS ONE OF THE MAIN LEGS OF OUR COULD CONSTITUTIONAL STOOL.

THAT IS WHY WE SAID FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE THE RIGHT TO DETERMINE IT OR NOT.

IF SOMEBODY IS DOING SOMETHING, IF YOU'RE, HEARING AIDS ANOTHER EXAMPLE.

IF WE'RE A RESTAURANT, AN SOMEBODY COMES IN, NO SHIRT, NO SHOES, YOU CAN AS A RESTAURANT SAY, NO SHIRT, NO SHOES, NO SERVICE.

BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT FOLLOWING POLICIES THAT ME AS A RESTAURANT OWNER PREVENT PROPERTY OWNER HAVE SAID TO BE HERE.

PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER.

IN THE SAME WAY WE SAID, IF YOU AS A BUSINESS, DON'T WANT TO ALLOW OR CHOOSE TO ALLOW IT, IT'S YOUR CHOICE.

BUT SOMEBODY CAN'T JUST COME IN LITERALLY FIGURATIVELY GUNS BLAZING TO YOUR PLACE OF BUSINESS.

SO WE WANT TO THE MAY PARTICULAR CLEAR.

WE WANT‑MAKE IT CLEAR.

HAVE CLEAR SIGNAL.

>> WE DIDN'T WANT SOMEBODY TO PUT UP A LITTLE SIGN AND TRAP SOMEBODY  OR CREATE A SITUATION CONFUSING.

HOSTESS AT ZIPPY'S, WANT THE SIGN TO BE OUTSIDE TO THE HOSTESS AT ZIPPY'S DOESN'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS TO EVERYONE.

ONE THING THAT I THINK MAYOR IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT TOMORROW, IS WE'RE CITY IS REQUESTING TO EA GOING TO BE PROVIDE AN SIGNAGE.

PEOPLE ARING IT TO UP IS EVIDENT.

MAKE ME PAY FOR A SIGN.

UPSET.

PROVIDING SIGNAGE TO MAKE IT CLEAR WHERE GUNS ARE ALLOWED OR NOT.

>>Yunji: I CAN'T FIND IT IN HERE.

SO MANY QUESTIONS.

BUT THERE WAS A QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT EVALUATION OF THE PERMIT PROCESS.

HOW OFTEN DOES THAT HAVE TO BE RENEWED?

APPLIED FOR A PERMIT, OBTAINED GUN.

>> WHEN IS THE NEXT TIME MEDICAL REPORTS WOULD BE REVISITED.

>> ONE YEAR FOR EACH LICENSE.

WOULD BE REVISITED.

UNDER REVIEW WITH DIFFERENT LEGISLATION GOING THROUGH.

SOME WANTED 2 YEARS.

SOME WANTED 4 YEARS.

RIGHT NOW, WITH HPD IT'S EVERY YEAR.

RENEW IT AND APPLY, EVERY YEAR, YOU HAVE TO HAVE MEDICAL EVALUATION DONE.

>>Yunji: I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU ON THAT WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT HAVING TO RENEW IT EVERY YEAR.

>> EXTREMELY BURDENSOME.

THE STATE OF HAWAII IS CREATED REALLY GOOD SYSTEM DETERRING PEOPLE FROM OWNING A GUN.

ARDUOUS PROCESS.

EVERY SINGLE TIME GO THROUGH IT.

AS AN INSTRUCTOR, I OWN BETWEEN 1 AND 5,000 GUNS.

NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU EXACT NUMBER.

>>Yunji: DID YOU SAY 5,000.

>> JUST ROUND NUMBER.

THREW IT OUT.

THERE EVEN IF OWNING WEAPONS FIREARMS, I DO, WHEN I WANT TO GET ANOTHER ONE, I GOT TO GET ANOTHER PERMIT BECAUSE GUNS THAT I ALREADY OWN CAN'T BE USED TO DO ANYTHING THAT THE NEW ONE THAT I NEED TO GET.

THAT'S THE ONE THAT IS GOING TO BE THE PROBLEM.

THAT NEW ONE.

THESE THINGS ARE SO RESTRICTIVE.

I WANT TO MAKE SOME CLARIFICATIONS.

FIRST OFF, MR. RHOADS HAD MENTIONED CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY.

OVER HALF OF OUR STATES HAVE CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY.

GOT A GUN.

PASS BACKGROUND CHECK.

ALLOWED PERSON.

YOU CAN GO CARRY YOUR GONE OUT SIDE YOUR HOME.

DEFEND YOURSELF AT ANYONE WHO HAPPENS TO BE IN THE VICINITY.

TALKING ABOUT SENSITIVE PLACES IN SCHOOLS, THERE ARE 33 STATES THAT ALLOW CONCEALED CARRIES TO CARRY FIREARMS IN PUBLIC SCHOOL, PRIVATE SCHOOLS COULD MAKEUP OWN RULE.

NEVER BEEN ONE INSTANT CONCEALED CARRY OR LAWFULLY PERMITTED PERSON CARRYING GUN ON SCHOOL GROUNDS NEGLIGENT DISCHARGE OR INJURED SOMEONE WITH IT.

NOT ONCE.

WANT TO LET THAT SING IN.

WHEN WE DO HAVE MASS SCHOOL SHOOTING ALWAYS TARGETING SOFT TARGETS.

ARE TARGETING GUN‑FREE ZONES BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE THEY KNOW THAT NO ONE WILL BE.

THESE MASS SHOOTER ARE COWARDS AT THE SAME TIME.

THANK GOD IN NASHVILLE FOR OFFICERS AND TOOK CHARGE OF THE SITUATION ENTER BUILDING CLEARED IT AND FOUND THE SHOOTER AND PUT HER DOWN.

BECAUSE THAT DID NOT HAPPEN IN UVALE OVER HOUR AND OF 60 MINUTES COPS SAT OUTSIDE WHILE A MASS SHOOTER DID WHATEVER WANTED TO IN THAT CLASSROOM.

I WORK AT A SCHOOL.

TAKE THIS ISSUE SERIOUSLY.

>> IF I HAD A GUN ON MY CAMPUS AND SOMEONE TRIED TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON MY CAMPUS, THAT PERSON WOULD BE IN THE GROUND.

AND THE FACT THAT WE WANT TO PUT THE SAFETY OF OUR CHILDREN IN THE HAND OF PEOPLE THAT ARE FAR AWAY, DON'T GET ME WRONG, NOT SAYING YOU SHOULDN'T TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS CARRY A GUN IN THE SCHOOL.

EXTREMELY STRICT TRAINING.

I DON'T WANT SOMEONE THAT DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO USE A FIREARM EFFECTIVELY AND SAFELY CARRY A GUN IN THE SCHOOL.

THAT'S WHY I SPEND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS EVERY SINGLE YEAR TO MAKE SURE THAT I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING.

SO THAT'S PEOPLE THAT I TEACH ALSO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

REMEMBER THAT BRUIN ALSO SAID REGISTRATION AND QUALIFICATIONS ARE CONSTITUTIONAL.

ANY REQUIREMENTS THAT STATE WANT TO IMPOSE IS CONSTITUTIONAL.

>>Yunji: I WANT TO GO TO YOU TO SOME OF THE POINTS THAT HE RAISED JUST NOW.

YOU REPRESENT NATIONAL ORGANIZATION.

WHAT/YOU FOUND IN OTHER STATES THAT DO ALLOW FOR CONCEALED CARRY, WHAT HAS THE DATA SHOWING?

THIS IS NEW TO US HERE.

WHAT HAVE WE SEEN IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY.

>> COUPLE OF THINGS LEADING TO THAT.

SORT OF CLEAR UP.

WE ARE THE MOST DANGEROUS DEVELOPED COUNTRY.

40,000.

NO DEVELOPED COUNTRY MORE DANGEROUS THAN US BECAUSE THE SECOND AMENDMENT AND PERMISSIVE GUN LAWS.

33 STATES THAT HAVE PERMITLESS CARRY, CONCEALED CARRY OR OPEN CARRY WITHOUT A PERMIT, MANY OF THEM YOU DON'T HAVE TO PASS A BACKGROUND CHECK TO BUY A BEGUN BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A BACKGROUND CHECK LAW ON STATE BOOKS.

LONG'S YOU DON'T GO TO FEDERALLY LICENSED FIREARM DEALER.

BUY IT ON LINE OR GUN SHOW.

DON'T HAVE PASS A BACKGROUND CHECK.

CARRYING WEAPON DIDN'T HAVE TO PASS BACKGROUND CHECK TO BUY.

CARRYING IT WHEREVER THEY WANT.

>> FACTUALLY WRONG.

BUY IT ONLINE.

PRIVATE DEALER, PRIVATE SELLER, BUY WAL‑MART IN PARKING LOT FOR CASH.

>> ARMS LIST ONLINE.

>>Daryl: WAIT.

LET CHRIS FINISH.

COME TO YOU.

>> GIVE ME A FIREARM FOR CHRISTMAS.

IT TOOK SIX WEEKS BECAUSE I HAD TO HAVE HIM SEND IT FROM FFL ON MAINLAND, TO MY FFL GUY FIREARM LICENSE.

TOOK ME SIX WEEKS TO GO HPD AND APPLY TO BUY IT, OR GET IT, AND THEN I COULD GO ABOUT PICK IT UP.

>>Yunji: 6 WEEKS SO CUMBERSOME?

ARE WE NOT ALLOWING FOR HAVING SOME KIND OF WAIT, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET IT THE NEXT DAY?

>> I'M ALL FOR THE SAFETY.

GUN OWNER SHOULD BE QUALIFIED TRAINED AND PROFICIENT AND SAFE.

>> WE LIVE IN HAWAII.

GOOD GUN LAWS.

WHY YOU HAD TO TAKE IT THROUGH FFL.

LIVED MISSISSIPPI, TEXAS, INDIANA TENNESSEE, 30 PLUS OTHER STATES.

>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR STATE.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING LAWS THAT WILL MAKE OUR PEOPLE SAFE.

>> PROCESS.

>> PROCESS GUNS THROUGH FFL MAKES SURE THAT YOU ARE A REASONABLE SAFE TRAINED GUN OWNER.

I BELIEVE YOU ARE.

>> I DON'T BELIEVE EVERY PERSON IN HAWAII STATE EA MES THAT STANDARD.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE LAWS THAT KEEPIVE SAFE.

>> HARD TO ACCEPT ARGUMENT IT'S SO EVEN ONEROUS GET GUN IN HAWAII.

MORE GUNS IN HAWAII THAN PEOPLE.

PEOPLE THEY OWN THOSE GUNS LEGALLY AND MORE GUNS THAN PEOPLE.

SO IT'S NOT THAT HARD.

>>Yunji: SEVERAL QUESTIONS HERE THAT SAY, MARIAN IN HONOLULU, NOTICE THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS IN CHURCHES.

WHAT IS THE STATUS ON THAT?

ILAISA, DOES THE BILL 57 PUBLIC GATHERING INCLUDE CHURCHES.

>> CHURCHES PLACE.

WE'RE LOOK AT WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS, CHURCHES ARE OF COURSE PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS THAT CAN REGULATE MEMBERSHIP.

CONDUCT ON THEIR PROPERTY.

ONE PIECE.

DIDN'T PICK SENSITIVE PLACES OUT OUT OF THIN AIR.

BRUIN CASE.

HISTORICAL CONTEXT.

HAS HISTORICAL TRADITION.

COURT LAID OUT FOUR SPECIFIC INSTANCES AND MANY ALL OF THOSE ARE REFLECTED IN OUR SENSITIVE PLACE.

BUT CHURCHES IS AN INTERESTING ONE.

PRIVATE PROPERTY.

PRIVATE PROPERTY SITUATION.

THAT'S THE LENS WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THIS, ALLOWS CONCEALED CARRY.

THAT'S CRYSTAL CLEAR.

SO IF THERE'S A QUESTION YOU HAVE ASK PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER.

COULDN'T GO TO CHURCH, PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER.

SOME CHURCHES SAY YOU HAVE TO WEAR A SUIT AND TIE.

SOME CHURCHES ARE MORE LAX.

BEAUTY OF WHERE WE ARE.

PROPERTY OWNER.

CHURCH, UP TO THE LEADERSHIP OF THE CHURCH TO DETERMINE THAT.

>>Yunji: REPRESENTATIVE, I WANT TO GO TO YOU ON THIS ONE.

FROM ANGELICA.

ONE OF THE PANELISTS SPOKE ABOUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT.

I AM SICK OF PEOPLE HIDING BEHIND THE SECOND AMENDMENT.

AS A REASON FOR HAVING ON THE WANTING TO HAVE A GUN.

WITH THE SECOND AMENDMENT FIRST CAME INTO PLAY, WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME OF GUN WE HAVE TODAY.

FOR HUNT, YES.

FOR PROTECTION OF OWN HOME.

YES.

BUT THE NOTION OF HAVING PEOPLE CARRYING GUNS AND WANTING TO TAKE IT ANYWHERE THEY WANT, IS BS.

FROM ANGELICA.

YOU SHARED THAT LANGUAGE WITH US.

HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO HER?

>> ANGELICA, THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION.

IF LEGISLATORS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THE SECOND AMENDMENT, WE NEED TO THAT THROUGH A RESOLUTION.

THAT'S CALLING UPON OUR U.S. DELEGATION AT THE HOUSE AND SENATE TO CHANGE THE SECOND AMENDMENT.

SAYING IT'S BS.

CAN'T CHANGE IT AT THE COUNTY LEVEL AND AT THE STATE LEVEL UNLESS WE'RE CHANGING THE ACTUAL SECOND AMENDMENT.

THERE WAS A 2022 SUPREME COURT CASE INVOLVED.

SWITCHED THINGS FROM BEING YOU MAY GIVE PERMITS FOR CONCEALED CARRY TO THE YOU SHALL DO IT.

NOW WE TALK A LOT ABOUT PRECEDENT.

HISTORICAL CONTEXT.

ANALAGOUS LAW.

AT THE TIME OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT BEING RATIFY, ALONG WITH THE BILL OF RIGHTS, 1791, THERE WAS A COMMENTARY WRITTEN ON THAT, ONE OF THE SIGNERS WROTE THAT COMMENTARY WAS JAMES MADISON.

WROTE IN FEDERALIST PAPER 46 THAT WELL REGULATED MILITIA IS BASICALLY A GROUP OF CITIZENS UNDERSTAND HOW TO USE FIREARMS PROTECTING FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FROM INFRINGING UPON THEIR LOCAL STATE.

FIREARMS WHEN HE TALK ABOUT REGULATIONS AND WELL REGULATED MILITIA AS THE FOUNDATION OF US TODAY CREATING COUNTY LAWS OR STATE LAWS WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHEN THE SECOND AMENDMENT MEANT WE GO REGULATE.

WELL ORGANIZED GROUP OF COLONERS ARMED TO PROTECT THEMSELVES AGAINST THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

HISTORICAL BACKGROUND, ANALAGOUS TRADITION WHAT WE HAVE TO STAN.

IF WE WANT TO CHANGE THINGS DO YOU IT THROUGH RESOLUTION CHANGING SECOND AMENDMENT.

>>Yunji: QUESTION FROM MILILANI.

ANSWER THIS ONE.

HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FROM MENTAL HEALTH DIAGNOSIS TO BEING REGISTERED AS UNABLE FOE POSSESS A FIREARM?

HOW MANY PEOPLE, IF ANY, HAVE YOU REJECTED THROUGH THIS PROCESS?

AND WHAT IS SORT OF THE CRITERIA FOR BEING ROADWAY PROJECT MENTAL HEALTH DIAGNOSIS.

DOCTOR SAYS I DON'T THINK THIS PERSON SHOULD YOU HAVE A GUN.

IS THAT SOMETHING HPD DOES BASED ON WHATEVER DIAGNOSIS WRITTEN IN A PERSON'S MEDICAL RECORD.

>> GET THAT A LOT.

PART OF THE MENTAL HEALTH EVALUATION, APPLICANTS SIGN WAIVERS, WE SEND LETTERS OUT, REQUESTING FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM THE MEDICAL PROVIDERS.

WE HAVE A PRESET LETTER.

ANY INFORMATION THAT'S DOCTOR SENDS TO YOU, WE DON'T HAVE INTERPRET IT.

ONE OF THE QUESTION IS ARE THEY A SUITABLE PERSON TO HOLD, HANDLE, HOLD FIREARMS.

CLEAR OR NO ANSWER.

ONE OF THE FACTORS TAKE IN EVALUATING FORMS COME BACK TO US.

>>Yunji: CONCEALED CARRY PROCESS, I KNOW IT'S STILL REALLY EARLY DAYS.

HAVE YOU TURNED ANYONE DOWN YET?

>> NO.

NOT AT THERE POINT.

>>Yunji: NOT AT THIS POINT.

>>Yunji: OPINION, I'M INTERESTED TO GET YOU TO WEIGH IN ON THIS.

PEOPLE WITH GUNS THINK THEY'RE GOING TO PROTECT THEMSELVES AND OTHERS BY TAKING LAW INTO THEIR OWN HANDS.

GUN CARRYING CREATES FEAR AND MAY COMPEL OTHERS TO CARRY AS WELL.

INTERESTED KIND OF CONVERSATION, YOU'RE HAVING ALL OF THIS IS SORT IN THE PROCESS AND LEARNING AS WE GO.

WHAT ARE THE FEELINGS THAT YOU'RE HEARING FROM STUDENTS ON CAMPUS?

>> OF COURSE DIDN'T SPEAK ON BEHALF OF ALL STUDENTS.

BUT IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME ARGUMENTS SAYING THAT SHOOTING AT SCHOOLS WOULDN'T HAPPEN IF PERHAPS ONE OF THE STUDENTS HAD A GUN ON THEM OR IF THE TEACHER HAD A GUN ON THEM.

PERHAPS BUT I THINK THERE'S AN UNDERLYING PRESUMPTION THAT EXISTS.

THERE WOULD BE A STUDENT THAT COMES TO SCHOOL EVERY DAY WITH A FIREARM ON THEM.

AND KNOWING THAT, I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL.

>> I WOULD FEEL INCREDIBLY UNSAFE TO KNOW A CLASSMATE MIGHT HAVE GUN ON THEN.

2, SPEAKS TO WHAT PERSON IS SAYING.

CREATES REALLY PERVERSE INCENTIVE FOR ME OR FOR OTHER STUDENTS TO BRING A FIREARM ON THEMSELVES.

BECAUSE IF SOMEONE GOING TOO HAVE IT AND I'M NOT HAVE IT.

I'M UNILATERALLY WORSE OFF POSITION COMPARED TO THE STUDENTS WHO DO HAVE GUNS ON THEM.

AND SO I THINK, TO GO BACK TO WHAT THE SPEAKER SAID, I AGREE WITH YOU.

>>Yunji: BRING OF KAINOA.

BRING YOU IN.

BECAUSE YOU ARE A TEACHER AND THERE IS A QUESTION HERE.

IS THERE A TEACHER OR PAST EDUCATOR ON THE PANEL THAT IS INTERESTED IN BEING TRAINED ON HOW TO US GUNS?

WE KNOW YOU TRAIN THERE.

HE SAID, AS A TEACHER I PERSONALLY CANNOT FATHOM RESPONSIBILITY OF HANDLING FIREARMS.

DO YOU THINK THAT IT WOULD MAKE OUR SCHOOLS SAFER IF TEACHERS WERE ARMED?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

IT'S A MISCONCEPTION THAT PEOPLE IN ON THE GUN RIGHTS SIDE WANT EVERYONE TO BE ARMED.

>> THAT'S BRUTALITY NOT TRUE.

MY VP WHO ACTUALLY USED TO BE MY PRINCIPAL WHEN I WAS GOING TO SCHOOL, SHE'S LIKE, I COULD NEVER CARRY A GUN.

I MIGHT LEAVE IT IN THE BATHROOM.

YES, WE DON'T WANT YOU CARRYING A GUN.

WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS PEOPLE THAT TAKE THE SAFETY OF THEMSELVES AND STUDENTS EXTREMELY SERIOUSLY, TO PUT THEIR LIFE ON THE LINE.

SCORES OF LAW ABIDING CITIZENS IN THE COUNTRY.

STUDIES WERE DONE AND OTHER PLACES, IT'S CONCEALED CARRY OFTEN WERE MORE LAW ABIDING THAN POLICE OFFICERS.

CONCEALED CARRY COME TO THE AID OF POLICE OFFICERS TO SAVE THEIR LIFE.

WHAT HAPPENED IN ARIZONA 2017.

YES, GUNS HAD IN HAND THE OF PPE, WE TRUST OFFICERS WITH FIREARM.

WE TAKE AT ASSUMPTION WELL TRAINED.

THEY ARE WELL MEANING AND THAT HE SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY AT HEART.

INDIVIDUALS LIKE MYSELF, BEGIN, SPEND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR TO MAKE SURE THAT I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING, HAVING ARMED ON CAMPUS MAKES THAT SCHOOL SAFER PLACE AND NOT MORE DANGEROUS PLACE.

33 ALLOW TEACHERS CARRY FIREARMS.

NEVER BEEN LETHAL DISCHARGE.

>>Yunji: PEOPLE APPLYING FOR PERMIT NO FAULT INSURANCE.

IN CASE OF ACCIDENTS.

>> ACCIDENT SHOOTING SOMEONE.

WE ARE NOT A STAND YOUR GROUND STATE.

THERE IS A QUESTION OF SOMEONE GETTING INTO ALTERCATION PERHAPS CLAIMING SELF‑DEFENSE.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT IDEA OF HAVING TO HAVE SOME KIND OF INSURANCE AND WHAT HAPPENS IF I'M GETTING ROBBED AND I SHOOT SOMEONE?

>> BIG PROBLEM WITH NO FAULT INSURANCE IS NOBODY IS AT FAULT.

UNFORTUNATELY, SOMEONE USING A GUN AT FAULT.

THEY SHOULD BE HELD CIVILLY OR CRIMINALLY RESPONSIBLE.

SO I DON'T THINK NO FAULT IDEA IS GOOD IDEA.

BUT WE ALL AGREE THAT SCHOOLS FOR EXAMPLE, IS A SENSITIVE PLACE.

SO REAL QUESTION I ASK FOR THE PANEL IS WHAT ARE WE DOING CURRENTLY TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM GOING INTO OUR SCHOOLS WITH GUNS?

>> NOTHING.

>> WHAT WE DOING.

>>Yunji: ALL AGREE SCHOOLS, IS SENSITIVE PLACE.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY DISAGREES.

WHERE WHAT ARE WE DOING CURRENTLY?

MAYBE STATE CAN TELL US WHAT ARE WE DOING CURRENTLY TO MAKE SURE KIDS COMING INTO SCHOOL AREN'T CARRYING THAT GUN?

>> I THINK CAMPUS SHOOTING ARE TOPIC FOR A WHOLE OTHER SHOW.

>> I THINK THAT THE JUDGE QUESTION IS REALLY INTERESTING PHILOSOPHICAL ONE.

ON ONE HAND, WE COULD BE LIKE STATE ON THE MAINLAND, SAY, WELL, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE GUNS EVERYWHERE.

HAVE THEM IN SCHOOL, MAKE THING SAFER ON ONE END.

OTHER END, METAL DETECTOR EVERYONE AND CHECK EVERYONE AND PAT EVERYONE DOWN.

NEITHER OF THESE EXTREMES IS REASONABLE POSITION FOR US HERE IN HAWAII.

SO WE NEED LAWS THAT MEET COMMON SENSE.

NEED LAWS THAT MAKE IT CLEAR WHERE YOU CAN AND CAN'T HAVE IT.

AND I KNOW IT'S GOING TO SAY, BE SAID NEXT, CRIMINALS AREN'T GO TO FOLLOW RULES.

WE DON'T REPEAL OUR LAWS BECAUSE THAT'S THE CASE.

WE HAVE COMMON SENSE RULES FOR A REASON.

TRY OUR BEST WITH HPD TO ENFORCE THEM.

AND THAT'S THE KIND OF SOCIETY THAT I THINK ALL YOU HAVE US WOULD LIKE TO LIVE IN.

ONE WHERE THERE'S COMMON SENSE REASONABLE BOUNDARIES.

ONE OTHER TOPIC THAT WE SORT OF MISS HERE, IS WITH THE PROLIFERATION GUNS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

WHETHER REALLY ACQUIRED, BOUGHT ONLINE, BOUGHT ON THE A WAL‑MART, MORE GUNS IN THE COMMUNITY, THERE IS A HIGHER RISK OF GUNS BEING STOLEN, BEING USED BY BAD GUY, SEE THIS ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY.

WE ALSO SEE IT HERE IN HAWAII.

ONE THING WE NEED TO DO, WHETHER THROUGH ADDITIONAL RULES AT THE STATE OR THROUGH BETTER ENFORCEMENT.

>> TO DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM OF STOLEN WEAPON I'M GLAD THAT ONE OF ASPECTS OF TRAINING IS HOW TO STORE PROPERLY.

HOW TO MAKE SURE IT'S KEPT.

>> NOT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO DO THAT.

DANGER GET TO A THOUSAND CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS OR 10,000.

NOT EVERY ONE OF THOSE 10 OF US IS GOING TO BE PERFECTLY SECURING THINGS IN A VEHICLE HOME OR OFFICE.

>>Yunji: CAN YOU TELL US WHAT YOU'RE THINKING.

KEEP THINKING ABOUT ARGUMENTS MADE ABOUT ABILITY TO FOR INDIVIDUAL TO HAVE A GUN AT A SCHOOL.

AS A TEACHER.

ANECDOTAL.

THAT ARGUMENT WAS ABOUT KAINOA.

AND HIS EXPERTISE.

FFL ARGUMENT WAS ABOUT INDIVIDUAL AND HOW THEY PERCEIVE THEIR OWN ABILITY TO UTILIZE A GUN.

NOT MAKING LAWS.

FOR WONDER OR TWO PEOPLE.

WE'RE NOT MAKE LAWS FOR GUN AFICIONADO.

>> ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT WE'VE DONE WITH THESE SENSITIVE PLACE LAWS, I THINK JUDGE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION, FIRST THING WE'RE DOING IS WE ARE MAKING IT ILLEGAL.

BECAUSE YES, AS OF NOW, IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TAKE A GUN INTO SCHOOL.

NEVER MADE A LAW DESIGNATED SENSITIVE PLACE.

TESTIFYING ON BILLS GOING THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE, SECOND AMENDMENT ADVOCATE BROUGHT A GUN INTO THE COMMITTEE ROOM.

AT THE STATE CAPITAL.

BECAUSE THE LAW WASN'T MADE YET.

SAID HE COULDN'T DO IT.

SERGEANT AT ARMS CAME AND TALK TO HIM ASKED HIM TO LEAVE.

HE DID POLITELY.

EASILY RESOLVED.

JUST TELL OUR AUDIENCE THAT LIKE, THERE ARE PEOPLE NOT PEOPLE ON THIS PANEL PROBABLY, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WILL GET THESE PERMITS AND THEY LIKE WATER, THEY WILL FIND THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE.

TAKE THEIR‑GUN WHEREVER THINK ARE NOT PROHIBITED TAKING THEIR GUN.

WE CAN'T MAKE EXHAUSTIVE ENOUGH LIST TO PROTECT EVERY CHILD IN HAWAII BUT WE CAN TRY.

WE'RE NOT JUST PROTECTING CHILDREN, PROTECTING BUSINESS OWNERS WHO AREN'T WATCHING THIS SHOW RIGHT NOW AREN'T PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE LEGISLATURE AND WILL HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO IF I'M 17‑YEAR‑OLD HOSTESS AT A MOM AND POP RESTAURANT, AND SOMEONE COMES IN WITH A GUN AND DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LAWS ARE.

BUT THANK GOD AT LEAST TRIED TO MAKE LAWS THAT SAY, UNLESS THAT RESTAURANT EXPLICITLY SAYS, YOU CAN COME IN WITH A GUN, YOU CAN'T.

HOPEFULLY, THE SMALL AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE OBTAIN THESE CCB LICENSES HAVE GONE THROUGH THE TRAINING.

THEY KNOW NOTICE IT SAYS, YES, YOU CAN BRING YOUR GUN IN, THEY WILL BE MOST OF THEM LAW ABIDING CITIZENS WON'T DO IT.

17‑YEAR‑OLD HOSTESS DOESN'T HAVE TO KNOW SB BILL 30.

VERSION 1 WHATEVER.

>>Yunji: DO YOU THINK THAT IS IT TOO RESTRICTIVE.

>> BLOWS MY MIND.

EVERY ONE OF THOSE SCHOOLS WITH MASS SHOOTINGS HAD NO GUN ZONES.

TELL FAMILIES WE ARE PROTECTING YOU KEEPING GUNS OUT AND MAKING IT ILLEGAL.

I DON'T GET IT.

>>Yunji: POINT OF LIKE CLARIFICATION HERE CAPTAIN, IF YOU COULD ANSWER THIS.

OUR PERMITS GRANTED BY HPD ONLY FOR OAHU PEOPLE OR CAN THEY GO OFF ISLAND.

SOME QUESTIONS HERE.

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ADDRESS TOURISTS THAT BRING GUNS INTO THEIR LUGGAGE.

THAT ONE IS FROM MAUI.

WHAT WOULD THE LAW BE ON CONCEALED CARRY AT THE AIRPORT.

FOR SPENCER IN KALIHI.

SO MUCH CONFUSION WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO.

>> WE GET QUESTIONS EVERY DAY COMING IN.

FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S NO RECIPROCITY.

BETWEEN THE COUNTIES.

SO IF YOU GET A LICENSE TO CARRY HERE IN HONOLULU, IT'S ONLY GOOD HERE IN HONOLULU.

AS I DON'T THINK I'VE SEEN ANY LEGISLATION GOING THROUGH, ADDRESSING RECIPROCITY, EVERY COUNTY IN HAWAII, HAVE TO SEEK YOUR OWN, EACH INDIVIDUAL LICENSE TO CARRY FOR EACH COUNTY.

AIRPORTS, THAT GOING TO BE LIKE FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT THERE.

AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DECIDE ON.

HOW TO DO, HOW TO APPROACH FIREARMS ILLEGALLY COMING IN THROUGH THE LUGGAGE.

>>Yunji: QUESTION.

I WOULD LIKE YOU TO ADDRESS.

WHY IS THE GOVERNMENT PUNISHING LAW ABIDING CITIZENS BY RESTRICTING GUN OWNERSHIP WHEN IT IS THEIR RIGHT?

PEOPLE TRYING TO EXERCISE THIS RIGHT.

BEING TAKEN AWAY.

>> NOT RESTRICTING THEIR RIGHT.

WHOLE DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW WE'RE COMPLYING WITH THE BRUIN DECISION.

AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, EVEN ON OAHU, HAWAII, WITH OUR COMPARABLY SPEAKING STRICT GUN LAWS, THERE ARE STILL MORE GUNS THAN PEOPLE.

YOU CAN GET A GUN.

IN HAWAII.

IF YOU PASQUALFICATIONS.

JUST CAN'T CARRY IT ANYWHERE AFTER THEY PASS BILL 57.

>>Yunji: LIST IS EXHAUSTIVE.

TALKED ABOUT WHERE CAN YOU CARRY A GUN?

>> LIST SO LONG.

DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO GET THROUGH IT.

JUST BACK DOOR BAN ON CARRYING FIREARMS.

LAUGHING IN THE FACE OF BRUIN.

SAYING OKAY, WE'LL GIVE YOU GUYS PERMITS.

EVENTUALLY.

BUT YOU CAN'T CARRY IT BASICALLY ANYWHERE EXCEPT THE SIDEWALK AND THAT SIDEWALK.

NOT SIDEWALK.

OWNED BY THE CITY & COUNTY OF HONOLULU.

IT'S RIDICULOUS.

>> NOT RIDICULOUS.

WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH BRUIN.

FIND OUT WHETHER THIS COMPLIES WITH BRUIN OR NOT.

ENOUGH GRAY AREAS I'M SURE THAT MR. HOCHBERG IS GETTING LAWSUIT READY TO GO AND WE'LL FIND OUT WHETHER.

>> BET YOU.

>> CONSTITUTIONAL UNDER THIS SUPREME COURT.

ACTUALLY, WERE YOU PLANNING TO SIOUX?

>> I AM HOPING THAT PEOPLE WATCHING THIS SECOND AMENDMENT IS WORTHY OF SUPPORTING, ARE WILL MAKE CONTRIBUTIONS TO SECOND AMENDMENT LAW CENTER TO THE NUMBER 2, ALC.ORG.

AND WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT MONEY TO MAKE SURE THE SUPREME COURT TELLS LEGISLATURE AND CITY COUNCILS ON THE ISLANDS WHAT BRUIN PERMITS AND WHAT IT DOESN'T.

LIKE I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH BRUIN EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED FOR 50 YEARS WITH ROW.

SUPREME COURT ANNOUNCE IT'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT THAT WAS DISAGREED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY.

AND THEN LEGISLATURES WANTED IT OWE RESTRICTED.

CASES BROUGHT.

COURT ANSWER QUESTIONED FOR 50 YEARS.

THAT'S WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO.

>>Yunji: AS STUDENT ASK THE STUDENT HE SAYS, YOU FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE ON CAMPUS.

PERSON WITH PROPER TRAINING PROTECT STUDENT.

NOT A TEACH WHERE MONTH OF TRAINING.

I ASSUME THAT PERSON IS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.

SECURITY PROFESSIONAL.

DO YOU THINK THAT HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND TO THIS PERSON?

>> AS MANY THINGS DO, DEPENDS.

AS YOU SUGGESTED, IF IT WAS POLICE OFFICER, AT SCHOOL GROUNDS, I'M SURE THERE ARE A LOT MORE STUDENTS THAT WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE ABOUT SOMEONE ON CAMPUS HAVING A FIREARM IN THEIR POSSESSION.

BUT YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS JUST SOME OTHER PERSON, WHO WAS JUST TRAINED OR NEW TO THE POSITION, AND THEY HAD FIREARM, ON THEM, THEN I THINK THAT WOULD CAUSE A LOT OF COMMOTION, AND DISCUSSION AMONGST STUDENTS JUST WONDERING WHAT IS GOING ON.

>> ACTUALLY A PERFECT ANTECDOTE FOR THIS.

SIX OR SEVEN YEARS AGO.

SHOOTING AT A COMMUNITY COLLEGE IN OREGON.

THERE WERE TWO VETERANS ACTUALLY INVOLVED IN THE SHOOTING.

NOT AS THE SHOOTER.

ONE OF THOSE VETERANS WAS A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT HOLDER.

LEGAL TO OWN AND CARRY GUN.

BUT SCHOOL PROHIBITED IT.

HE STILL HAD HIS ON.

THE WATER.

AND SO HE WAS IN HIS CLASSROOM.

HE WAS A VETERAN.

COMBAT VETERAN.

TOLD THE CLASSROOM TO BARRICADE YOURSELF.

I'M GOING TO BE IN POSITION IF THE STUDENT COMES IN THIS ROOM.

WASN'T STUPID ENOUGH TO FIND THE SHOOTER.

>> POLICE RESPONDING PROBABLY SHOOT AND KILL HIM.

WOULD JUST CAUSE AND ADD TO THE CHAOS.

MORE GUNS ADD TO THE CHAOS.

IRONICALLY, PERSON STOPPED SHOOTER WAS AN UNARMED VETERAN TACKLED THE SHOOTER.

GOT SHOT DOING IT, BUT WAS BRAVE, TACKLED SHOOTER.

ENDED SHOOTING POLICE CAME.

WHAT YOU HAVE THERE IS THE ACTUALLY APPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR OF THE GUY WITH GUN.

AND VETERAN WITH THE GUN AND THE VETERAN WITHOUT THE GUN.

GOOD GUY WITHOUT THE GUN.

WOULD STOOPED THE SHOOTING.

WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT PROPERLY TRAINED GUN USERS WHETHER THEY'RE VETERANS OR REALLY WELL TRAIN, BY THE HAWAII RIFLE ASSOCIATE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY NOT GOING TO BE STUPID ENOUGH TO RUN AFTER THAT MASS SHOOTER.

THEY'RE GOING TO PROTECT THEMSELVES AS A PROBABLY LEARNED TO DO IN THE MILITARY.

PERFECT ANTECDOTE WHAT HAPPENED COLLEGE CAMPUS.

>>Yunji: POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

WE HAVE SO MANY.

WE'RE SO HAPPY THAT YOU ARE WITH US HERE TONIGHT.

SHAWN IN HONOLULU, IF YOU HAVE A PERMIT TO CARRY A FIREARM ARE YOU ABLE TO CARRY ANY KIND OF FIREARM OR PISTOL?

>> HANDGUN.

DON'T ALLOW LONG GUN CONCEALED CARRY.

>>Yunji: TOO HARD TO CONCEAL?

>> THAT'S PART OF IT.

HARD TO CONCEAL.

BUT IN ORDER TO PROTECT YOURSELF, CONSIDERING THE SUPREME COURT DECISION, HONOLULU PD CONJUNCTION WITH STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL, DECIDED IT WOULD BE MANNED HANDGUNS.

>>Yunji: REPRESENTATIVE, TO THAT POINT, DO YOU THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE THAT TYPE OF RESTRICTION?

JACK, RETIRED US NAVY BIG ISLAND.

SAYS SECOND AMENDMENT IS LAW AND OUR RIGHT, PERIOD.

UNDER THAT, INTERPRETATION, PERHAPS AR‑15S WOULD BE ALLOWED.

>> UNDER ANALOGOUS LAW IN THE BRUIN CASE, FIREARM OR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS AND TERM ARMS IN SECOND AMENDMENT ACCORDING TO BRUIN CASE, RESTRICTED TO SOMETHING YOU AS A SINGLE PERSON CAN CARRY OR CAN ON YOUR PEN PERSON OR A SHIELD.

SOMETHING THAT TAKES TWO PEOPLE, THAT IS NOT INCLUDED.

SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN'T HOLD BY YOURSELF, THAT IS NOT INCLUDED.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS BE ABLE TO BE CARRIED BY YOURSELF, OUTED BY YOURSELF AND CAN BE ABLE TO BE STORED ON YOURSELF.

>>Yunji: I WANT TO GET BACK TO THIS IDEA OF LIABILITY AND WHAT HAPPENS.

WHAT HAPPENS TO SOMEONE, WHO DOES SELF‑DEFENSE.

PERHAPS SHOOT ANOTHER PERSON.

WHAT ARE THE LAWS IN HAWAII SINCE WE ARE NOT A STAND YOUR GROUND STATE?

WHAT HAPPENS?

CRIMINAL CONSEQUENCES.

>> LAWS IN HAWAII IS THAT YOU ARE A ALLOWED USE REASONABLE FORCE TO DEFEND YOURSELF.

SO IF YOU ARE CONFRONTED WITH IMMINENT DEADLY FORCE, YOU CAN USE DEADLY FORCE TO DEFEND YOURSELF.

SO IF SOMEONE IS COMING AT YOU, LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO PUNCH, YOU CAN'T SHOOT THEM.

OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT BE CONFRONTED WITH DEADLY FORCE.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT IT WILL GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOMEONE SHOOTS SOMEONE, KILLS THAT PERSON.

SELF‑DEFENSE.

POLICE WOULD PROBABLY INVESTIGATE.

MAKE A DETERMINATION.

WHETHER OR NOT THE PERSON WAS ACTING IN SELF‑DEFENSE OR NOT..

IF THE POLICE AND PROSECUTOR DECIDE PERSON WASN'T ACTING IN SELF‑DEFENSE.

CHARGED FOR HOMICIDE OR THE INJURY THAT WAS CAUSED.

IT WILL TAKE ITS COURSE.

GO THROUGH THE TRIAL.

DEFENSE RAISED SELF‑DEFENSE.

INJURY BELIEVES THAT THE PERSON WAS ACTING IN SELF DEFENSE.

JURORS COULD FIND THEM NOT GUILTY.

IT GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.

>> CLARIFY.

KIND OF EXPAND ON IT.

IT ISN'T JUST DEATH.

FEAR.

ACTOR IS PREVENTING, FEAR OF SERIOUS BODILY INJURY, KIDNAPPING, SODOMY OR RAPE, KNOCK YOU OUT, TAKE YOUR GUN.

TRIED TO SIMPLIFY IT.

BASICALLY YOU'RE CORRECT.

IF YOU'RE CONFRONTED WITH DEATH OR VARIOUS BODILY INJURY, RISK OF DEATH, YOU COULD USE DEADLY FORCE.

I STAND CORRECTED.

BUT I TRY TO SIMPLIFY WITH THE QUESTION IN TERMS OF WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO A PERSON.

YOU CAN DEFEND ANOTHER PERSON.

SEE SOMEONE GETTING KIDNAPPED, YOU COULD SHOOT THE KIDNAPPER.

THE IDEA WASN'T TO GO AROUND SHOOTING BAD GUYS.

>> DON'T EVER WANT TO SHOOT SOMEBODY, NOT EVER AGAIN.

NEVER WANT TO SHOOT SOMEONE.

IF I NEED TO DO IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT THERE WILL BE A VERY SPECIFIC SET OF REASONS.

AND IN 2013, STUDY CONDUCTED BY THE CDC DETERMINED THERE WERE AT LAST 250,000 AND AS MUCH AS 3 MILLION SELF‑DEFENSE GUN USES EVERY YEAR.

>> IF ALL OF THOSE SELF‑DEFENSE GUN USES INVOLVING SHOOTING AND DEATH, AT LAST 250 GUN DEATHS THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

PEOPLE EVEN CARRY THEM FOR SELF‑DEFENSE AND DEFENSE OF OTHERS.

>> DON'T WANT TO SHOOT PEOPLE.

USED MEANS TO DIFFUSE A SITUATION AND RETREAT TO SAFETY.

SO IDEA WANT TO GO AROUND CREATING WILD WEST AND BEING JOHN WAYNE, RIDICULOUS NOTION.

AN FACT THAT WE'RE OFTEN LOOKED AT LIKE A CRIMINAL WAITING TO COMMIT A CRIME.

YOU HAVE THE MEANS.

LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITY TO SHOOT SOMEONE, NOT HOW IT WORKS.

>>Daryl: GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND.

>> I AGREE WITH KAINOA.

HE TALKS ABOUT WHERE HE STANDS ON THAT.

HE'S NOT A CRIMINAL.

HE DOESN'T WANT TO SHOOT SOMEBODY.

AND HE'S NOT OUT LOOKING FOR.

HE DOESN'T SPEAK FOR GUN OWNERS INTHIS HAWAII.

HEAD OF THE HAWAII RIFLE ASSOCIATION, HE DOESN'T SPEAK FOR ALL OF THE THEIR MICROS AND DESIRES AND WANT AND THERE ARE PROBABLY PEOPLE OUT THERE WITH EMOTIONS, HOT HEAD DOCTOR WROTE A LETTER AND GET THIS PERMIT AND USE IT FOR NAVY AREAS MEAN MORE GUN DEATHS IN HAWAII BECAUSE OF THAT DECISION.

KANOA AND I TRULY AGREE FOR ONCE ON SOMETHING.

RIGHT HERE.

BOTH VETERANS.

HE SAYS HE DOES NOT WANT TO SHOOT AND KILL ANYBODY EVER OR EVER AGAIN IN HIS LIFE.

>> FEEL THE SAME WAY.

I'VE BEEN TO COMBAT.

REASON I DON'T OWN A GUN IN MY PERSONAL LIFE IS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT MORAL INJURY OF HAVING TAKE A HUMAN LIFE IN ANY SHAPE OR LIFE.

I HAVE A LOUISVILLE SLUGGER NEXT TO MY BED.

I WILL USE IT IF I NEED TO PROTECT MYSELF OR FAMILY.

I HOPE I DON'T KILL THAT PERSON, DON'T WANT THAT BURDEN ON MY SOUL.

NOT EVERYBODY THINKS THAT WAY.

IN THIS IDEA THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE GUNS TO PROTECT US FROM GUNS AND PROTECT US FROM THOSE GUNS HAVE NEED TO HAVE MORE GUNS AND MORE GUNS.

MOST STATES IN THE COUNTRY ISN'T THAT WHAT THE GUN LOBBY HAS BEEN FEEDING SO LONG?

ONE THING HAPPENING WITH GUN RHETORIC GUN SEEMS TO BE MORE AND MORE MONEY BECAUSE GUNS ARE NEEDED PROTECT GUNS AND PROTECT PEOPLE FROM OTHER GUNS, PROTECT PEOPLE FROM GUNS.

>>Yunji: BRING ONE TO TYLER DOS SANTOS TAM.

JUST A QUESTION HERE.

WHO WILL ENFORCE AND HOW WILL THESE RESTRICTIVE GUN LAWS.

ENFORCEMENT WHAT WOULD BE THE REPERCUSSIONS FOR THAT.

JUDY IN HONOLULU.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT IS A MISDEMEANOR.

>> MISDEMEANOR.

JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER LAW UP TO HPD TO HELP ENFORCEMENT SO FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S SAY SOMEBODY INSISTS OFF BRINGING IN A CONCEALED CARRY WEAPON INTO A HOSPITAL OR SCHOOL.

WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN?

CALL HPD.

THAT PERSON WILL BE CITED.

FLIPSIDE, SCENARIO IN OTHER STATES, WE DON'T HAVE THIS LAW, THERE'S NO REPERCUSSION.

NO WAY TO STOP THESE PEOPLE.

WHEN WE SAY THAT, OH, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BREAK THESE LAWS, SO WHY HAVE THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE?

NEED REASONABLE COMMON SENSE REGULATIONS AND UNDER BRUIN ALLOWED TO DO THAT.

IT IS NOT ABSOLUTE RIGHT.

YOU CAN'T BRING A GUN ON A PLANE.

YOU CAN'T, ACCORDING TO BRUIN YOU CAN ESTABLISH PLACES WE DID.

AGAIN, WE HAD NEED TO BACK THAT UP AS MENTIONED WITH THE HISTORICAL TRADITION BEHIND IT.

SUPREME COURT DID NOT SAY NO REGULATIONS WHATSOEVER.

THROW THEM ALL OUT THE WINDOW.

HE SAID YOU AS MUNICIPALITY, AS A STATE, CAN DO THAT.

WE IN HAWAII WE AS A COUNCIL HAVE DECIDED THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE HERE ARE GOING TO BE REASONABLY PROTECTED WITHIN BOUNDARIES OF THE LAW.

>> I AGREE.

I HAVE TO BE PROFICIENT, SAFE, TRAINED.

YOU CAN'T DRIVE A CAR, WELL, YOU CAN, NOT SUPPOSED TO, DRIVE A CAR UNTIL YOU GET A PERMIT.

AND THEN YOU GET A LICENSE BECAUSE YOU CAN KILL PEOPLE WITH CARS.

IT HAPPENS A LOT ACTUALLY.

BUT THERE'S ACTUALLY NOT A SINGLE STUDY THAT I'M AWARE OF, IF CHRIS IF YOU CITE ME A STUDY WILL LOOK IT UP.

THERE IS NOT A SINGLE STUDY BY ANY UNIVERSITY OR ANY MEDICAL OR GUN GROUP OR WHATEVER, THAT SAYS, CRIME GOES UP WHEN CONCEALED PERMITEES COMMIT CRIMES.

BECAUSE CONCEALED PERMANENT PERMITTEES ARE NOT COMMITTING CRIMES.

STATISTICS OFTEN INCLUDE SUICIDE IN THE GUN FATALITY NUMBER.

SHOULD BE NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I WOULD LIKE CHRIS TO GIVE ME ARTICLE CITATION THAT I CAN READ THAT SAYS, PEOPLE WITH CONCEALED CARRY LICENSE HAVE BEEN COMMITTING MORE CRIMES THAN BEFORE THEY HAD THEIR LICENSE.

IT'S NOT THERE.

I HAVE IT RIGHT HERE.

RANDY CORPORATION.

THEY LOOK STUDIES LOOK AT ALL THE STUDIES AND STUFF.

THEY'RE SAYING THERE IS SUPPORT OF EVIDENCE, A LOT OF GRAY AREAS OF GUN LAWS THAT I ADMIT, THINGS ARE NOT ALL LINEAR, BUT IT'S PRETTY CLEAR CONCEAL CARRY LAWS INCREASES MAY INCREASE VIOLENT CRIME.

NOT SAYING PEOPLE WITH THE PERMIT DID THE CRIME.

THAT'S MY POINT.

>> BEST EVIDENCE WE HAVE, HYPOTHETICAL.

GOES BACK AGAIN TO FOLKS WHO GO THROUGH THROUGH THIS PROCESS, RIGOROUS PROCESS AT HPD.

MET ALL THE CRITERIA.

THAT'S VERY CLEAR.

PROBLEM MORE GUNS IN A COMMUNITY AREN'T LOCKED SAFELY AND AGAIN IF WE HAVE A THOUSAND, TEN THOUSAND, HOWEVER MANY, NOT EVERY GUN IS GOING TO BE SECURED SAFELY.

THERE WILL BE INSTANCES WHERE SOMEBODY BREAKS INTO YOUR HOUSE, STEALS IT, USES IT TO COMMIT A CRIME.

WE DON'T WANT TO GUNS TO BE PROLIFERATED IN OUR COMMUNITY UNCHECKED.

WE HAVE A FRAMEWORK THAT I THINK IS REASONABLE.

COMMON SENSE.

NOT JUST SENSITIVE PLACES BUT IT'S NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS HERE IN HAWAII.

AND THAT IS WHAT I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN KEEPING PEOPLE SAFE.

I THINK WE HAVE, THIS PROCESS.

WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR.

SO THOSE ARE DOING CONCEALED CARRY CAN FOLLOW IT.

WE ALSO ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S WELL ENFORCED.

BALANCE WE'RE TRYING TO STRIKE.

SURVEY COMPLETE LAST MONTH.

GUNS GOING THROUGH CITY COUNCIL AND LEGISLATURE.

59% OF HAWAII RESIDENTS, PERCENTAGE GUN OWNERS SUPPORT TRAINING FOR CONCEALED CARRY.

I THINK EVERYBODY HERE DOES TOO.

90 PLACES.

SENSITIVE PLACES TO INCLUDE SCHOOLS, PLAYGROUNDS, GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS.

LESS THAN 75%.

75 PERCENT OF RESIDENTS SUPPORT SENSITIVE PLACES THAT INCLUDES PROTEST AREAS, CROWDED PUBLIC AREAS OF THE EVERYTHING ELSE NAMED IN THE BILL.

3 OUT OF 4 CONSTITUENTS SUPPORTER THAT.

WHAT HAWAII LAWS.

>> FEDERAL LAW.

NOT LOCAL LAW.

>>Yunji: WHERE DO YOU THINK WE GO FROM HERE?

>> FORTUNATELY, TWO CASES ARE PENDING, ONE IN NEW JERSEY AND NEW YORK.

AFTER BRUIN, THEY HAVE CHALLENGED THEIR STATUTES THAT PROHIBITED IN PARKS, RESTAURANTS, ETC.

HOPEFULLY SUPREME COURT WILL ADDRESS THAT AND WILL GIVE US CLARITY.

I THINK WE NEED TO GET A BALANCE RIGHT OF PEOPLE TO OWN GUNS.

I WAS ELECTED TO PROTECT PEOPLE.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE LEGISLATURE DID SOMETHING WRONG BY ENACTING THEIR LAWS.

BUT I THINK THEY'RE TRYING THEIR BEST TO TRY TO ADDRESS THE STATE.

>>Yunji: WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE.

THIS IS A CONTENTIOUS ISSUE ‑ ONE WE DON’T EXPECT EVERYONE TO AGREE ON, BUT WE BRING TOGETHER KEY STAKEHOLDERS TO TALK THIS THROUGH, SO THAT PERHAPS WE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW TO MOVE FORWARD, SO THAT WE ALL CAN FEEL SAFE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

MAHALO TO ALL OF OUR GUESTS ‑ AND TO THOSE OF YOU AT HOME FOR BEING A PART OF TONIGHT’S DISCUSSION.

WE’LL BE BACK NEXT MONTH FOR ANOTHER KAKOU, TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUE OF REPEAT OFFENDERS ON OUR ROADS.

LAST MONTH, A 16‑YEAR OLD PEDESTRIAN WAS KILLED IN A HIT AND RUN ON HER WAY TO MCKINLEY HIGH SCHOOL.

THE MAN WHO WAS ALLEGEDLY BEHIND THE WHEEL, HAD 164 TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS, MANY OF THEM SERIOUS, AND YET WAS STILL DRIVING ON THAT FEBRUARY MORNING.

THIS IS JUST THE LATEST INCIDENT TO BRING THIS ISSUE TO LIGHT.

HOW DO WE KEEP THESE RECKLESS DRIVERS OFF OUR ROADS?

WE HOPE YOU JOIN US THEN.

I’M YUNJI DE NIES, UNTIL NEXT TIME…ALOHA.