RENEW THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE.

SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE IN DECADES.

JOIN US AS WE BREAK DOWN THE LEGISLATIONS.

AND WHAT IT MEANS TO STAKEHOLDERS NEXT ON INSIGHTS.

>> Lauren: ALOHA AND WELCOME TO INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI'I...I'M LAUREN DAY.

A PROPOSAL AT THE STATE CAPITOL COULD CHANGE THE WAY THOUSANDS OF HAWAII RESIDENTS RENEW THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSES.

LAWMAKERS ARE WEIGHING NEW REQUIREMENTS-INCLUDING THE POSSIBILITY OF ADDITIONAL TESTING-AS THEY LOOK TO IMPROVE PUBLIC SAFETY.

SO, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED AND HOW WOULD IT AFFECT DRIVERS STATEWIDE?

WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR PARTICIPATION IN TONIGHT'S SHOW.

YOU CAN EMAIL OR CALL IN YOUR QUESTIONS.

AND YOU'LL FIND A LIVE STREAM OF THIS PROGRAM AT PBSHAWAII.ORG AND THE PBS HAWAII YOUTUBE PAGE.

NOW, TO OUR GUESTS.

DARIUS KILA IS THE STATE HOUSE REPRESENTATIVE FOR DISTRICT 44 WHICH INCLUDES HONOKAI HALE, NANAKULI, AND MA'ILI.

HE WON THE SEAT IN 2022 AND CURRENTLY SERVES AS THE CHAIR OF THE HOUSE COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION.

ED SNIFFEN IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

THE AGENCY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PLANNING, DESIGNING, CONSTRUCTING, AND OPERATING OUR STATE ROADWAYS.

PRIOR TO THIS POST, HE WAS THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR FOR D-O-T'S HIGHWAYS DIVISION.

ANTOINETTE LILLEY IS A DEPUTY PUBLIC DEFENDER AND HAS WORKED AT THE STATE OF HAWAI'I OFFICE OF THE PUBLIC DEFENDER FOR THE LAST DECADE.

SHE RECEIVED HER LAW DEGREE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF HAWAI'I WILLIAM S. RICHARDSON SCHOOL OF LAW IN 2015.

KIM HASHIRO IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE CITY AND COUNTY OF HONOLULU DEPARTMENT OF CUSTOMER SERVICES-THE DEPARTMENT THAT OVERSEES MOTOR VEHICLE REGISTRATION, DRIVER'S LICENSES AND STATE IDENTIFICATION CARDS.

SHE HAS HELD THE POSITION SINCE MAY OF 2022.

THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

DARIUS, CAN YOU GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THIS BILL IS PROPOSING.

>> LET ME CLARIFY.

THERE ARE SEVERAL BILLS AT THE LEGISLATURE, BOTH THE ADMINISTRATION, HOUSE CHAMBER AND SENATE CHAMBER.

INCLUDED A BILL, MY PACKAGE INCLUDED A BILL.

RIGHT NOW LARGELY WHAT IT'S MOVING TO DO IS REPEAL SOMETHING THAT THE LEGISLATURE IN 1997 DID.

THE REMOVAL OF TESTS.

IN ALL THE MEASURES THAT EXIST, IT DOES BRING IT BACK IN SOME SHAPE OR FORM.

>> Lauren: WHY BRING THIS UP?

WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT?

>> LARGELY THIS INTERIM, BOTH MYSELF, DIRECTOR SNIFFEN, ANY TIME THERE'S A TRAFFIC FATALITY, WE GET LOOKED AT HAVING TO SOLVED OR ANSWER THIS ISSUE BROUGHT FORWARD.

LARGELY IT'S BECAUSE WHAT WE EXPERIENCES IN 2025.

THE HIGHEST INCIDENTS OF TRAFFIC DEATHS SINCE THE LAST 30 YEARS.

I'M ONLY 30.

UNFORTUNATELY AN ISSUE.

>> Lauren: ED, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MAYBE MORE OF THE LOGISTICS IN THE BILLS?

>> IN THE BILL, IF A PERSON HAS AT THIS TIME TWO MOVING VIOLATIONS WITHIN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, IN THEIR NEXT RENEWAL THEY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A TEST PRIOR TO GETTING THEIR LICENSE RENEWS.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S EASY AS POSSIBLE.

MAKE SURE WE CAN FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THIS.

WE'RE ALLOWING PEOPLE TO TAKE THAT TESTING OR THAT REEDUCATION ONLINE OR ON KIOSK TO MINIMIZAL IMPACT ON OPERATIONS.

MAKE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE.

IN GENERAL, RENEWAL EDUCATION IS A GOOD THING FOR EVERYBODY.

LAWS CHANGE.

SYSTEMS CHANGE THROUGHOUT THAT TIME.

IN THE BEGINNING WHEN I TOOK MY LICENSE, WE NEVER HAD ROUND-ABOUTS IN HAWAI'I.

WE'VE GOT EIGHT.

ENSURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS HOW TO OPERATE IN OUR SYSTEM.

>> Lauren: KIM, WHY DOES YOUR DEPARTMENT STAND ON THIS.

WHAT CONCERNS DO YOU HAVE?

>> WE FULLY SUPPORT INCREASING SAFETY ON THE ROADS, AND THAT IS WHAT OUR DEPARTMENT IS.

FOCUSED ON AND WHAT WE DO EVERY DAY.

MY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT AS ED MENTIONED, THAT WE PROVIDED IN A MANNER THAT IS EFFICIENT, ONLINE THAT DOESN'T INCREASE FOOT TRAFFIC IN OUR LOCATIONS FOR TRANSACTIONS THAT CAN'T BE DONE ONLINE.

WE'VE ALREADY DONE ONLINE PERMIT TESTING.

FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF OR SO, THAT HAS BEEN A TREMENDOUS IMPROVEMENT.

WHAT USED TO BE PAPER TEST IN THE OFFICE THAT WOULD TAKE 45 MINUTES OR SO TO COMPLETE, YOU CAN DO IT AT HOME NOW.

24/7.

IF YOU PASS, YOUR, YOU BRING INR DOCUMENT ACHES.

WE FINISH UP IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME INSTEAD OF AN HOUR OR SO TOTAL.

>> Lauren: DOES THE DEPARTMENT OF MOTOR VEHICLE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT FOLKS WHO NEED TO COMING FOR PERSON OR WHATEVER CONDITION CAN'T DO IT ONLINE.

JOLOGISTICALLY WHERE DO YOU DO E TESTING OR STAFFING?

>> RIGHT NOW AT ALL THE DRIVER'S LICENSE LOCATIONS.

WE HAVE FIVE ACROSS THE IRE EYE.

WE DESIGNATE CERTAIN DATES BY APPOINTMENT.

CUSTOMERS KNOW THEY CAN EXPECT TO BE SERVICED WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME AND NOT SPEND A LOT OF TIME WAITING.

THAT'S IMPORTANT TO US.

WE WANT TO MAKE IS ACCESSIBLE, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT SLOWING DOWN OVERALL OPERATION.

WHAT I ENVISION FOR THE FUTURE IS AS ED MENTIONED ABOUT KIOSK, RIGHT NOW WHEN YOU COME INTO OUR OFFICE, IT'S A PAPER TEST.

TEST WE WANT IT PLACE KIOSK IN OUR LOCATION OR OTHER LOCATIONS.

RIGHT NOW YOU CAN GO TO SAFE WY OR FOODLAND.

WE LIKE TO SEE MORE OF THAT.

I THINK THOSE ARE WAYS THAT WILL REDUCE SLOWDOWNS IN OUR LOCATIONS.

WE DON'T WANT TO FRUSTRATE CUSTOMERS AND INCREASE THAT.

>> Lauren: ANTOINETTE, I WANT TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT FROM THE PUBLIC DEFENDER OFFICE.

WHERE DO YOU ALL STAND ON IT?

>> WELL, OUR OFFICE HAS SEEN A LOT OF DRIVING WITHOUT LICENSE RELATED BILLS OVER THE YEARS, AND I THINK OUR MAIN CONCERN ALWAYS IS THAT A LOT OF THE TIMES, NOT ALL THE TIME OF COURSE DRIVING WITHOUT A LICENSE IS LARGELY RELATED TO POVERTY AND BEING STUCK IN THE POVERTY FOR PEOPLE.

OUR CONCERN WHEN ADDING ADMINISTRATIVE BARRIERS TO THE PROCESS IS WE DO A PROGRAM LIKE COMMUNITY OUTREACH COURT TO GET PEOPLE RELICENSED AND GET BACK ON TRACK.

BUT IS THERE A SHOWING AT THIS POINT THAT THIS ADMINISTRATIVE BARRIER IS GOING TO HELP MORE PEOPLE THAN IT HURTS?

WILL THIS TEST HAVE THE EFFECT OF REDUCING FATALITIES OR MAKE IT HARDER FOR PEOPLE WHO ALREADY STRUGGLE WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE BARRIERS?

PEOPLE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW TO USE TECHNOLOGY?

DAD IS ABOUT TO TURN 80 SOON.

PEOPLE WHO HAVE LAUREN LANGUAGE BARRIERS.

AND YOU MIGHT HAVE THAT HARDER TIME FILLING THAT OUT.

RISKY BEHAVIORS THAT WE SEE ON THE ROAD.

WE'VE SEEN PEOPLE WEAVING OUT DURING RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC.

NOBODY WANTS THAT.

BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT CASTING TOO WIDE OF A NET, AND TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING THE REALLY HIGH RISK DRIVERS UNDER THE CURRENT WORDING OF THE BILL.

>> Lauren: WOULD YOU WANT THERE TO BE MORE SPECIFIC WORDING IN TERMS OF THE DRIVERS THAT WOULD HAVE TO STUDY UP OR TAKE ANOTHER TEST?

>> WELL, I THINK THERE HAVE BEEN IMPROVEMENTS IN THE MOST RECENT DRAFT OF THE BILL.

ORIGINALLY IT WAS GOING TO BE EVERYONE HA TO RENEW IT.

IT WAS GOING TO BE ONE DRIVING INFRACTION.

NOW IT'S TWO.

I THINK WE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK?

HOW IS THE SYSTEM GOING TO TALK TO EACH OTHER?

ALL THESE DIFFERENT COMPUTER SYSTEMS?

THE COURT SYSTEMS, DRIVER'S LICENSE SYSTEMS, AND IN CALIFORNIA, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY DO HAVE LIKE A POINT SYSTEM TO FIGURE OUT IF YOU HAVE THIS MANY IN THE LAST TWO YEARS THIS MUCH SPECIFIC THINGS, THAT'S GOING TO GIVE YOU MORE POINTS.

YOU HAVE TO DO THE EDUCATIONAL THING.

SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T STOP FULLY AT A STOP SIGN BUT DOESN'T CAUSE ANY DANGER VERSUS THE PEOPLE WAIVING IN AND OUT OF THE ROADS, GETTING EXCESSIVE SPEEDING CHARGES.

THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN MAGNITUDE AS FAR AS THE INFRACTIONS IN THE BOOKS OVER HERE.

>> Lauren: DARIUS, MAYBE YOU CAN CHIME IN?

THERE ARE SPECIFICS WRITTEN IN THE LANGUAGE?

ANY INFRACTION?

IS IT -- >> LARGELY, FOR ANY INFRACTION TO STICK, YOU HAVE TO BE CITED.

MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, I'M SURE THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE THEY'RE PURSUING THESE CASES TO GET DISMISSES.

IF SOMEONE HAS IT TWICE, THAT MEANINGS THERE WAS A BURDEN OF TO.

IT'S IN THE PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS.

IF YOU GET IT WITHIN THAT FIVE YEAR RENEWAL PERIOD, WHICH IS THE TWO PROPOSAL.

I THINK THAT'S A FAIR MIDDLE GROUND.

>> I WANT TO PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT AS FAR AS IT HAVING BEEN IMPROVED IN COURT.

FOR A LOT OF THESE INFRACTIONS, THESE JUST GO TO DEFAULT JUDGMENT.

MY OFFICE GOES INVOLVED IF IT'S A PETTY MISDEMEANOR.

SOMETHING WITH JAIL TIME ATTACHED.

I DON'T KNOW HOW SOPHISTICATED -- SOME PEOPLE CHALLENGE.

A LOT OF THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO DEFAULT JUDGMENT AT THE END OF THE DAY.

NOT THINGS GETTING PROVED IN COURT.

>> I THINK WE CAN ADDRESS THE MAGNITUDE WITH THE TESTING ITSELF.

IF WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO GOT A CITATION OR MOVING VIOLATION BECAUSE THEY'VE DIDN'T STOP FULLY AT A STOP SIGN, WE CAN ADJUST FOR PEOPLE LIKE THAT.

AS FAR AS THOSE THAT ARE WEAVING IN AND OUT OF TRAFFIC, WE CAN MAKE IT A LOT HARDER.

TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THE IMPACTS OF THEIR ACTIONS.

OVERALL, WHAT WE'RE SEEING AND TRYING TO ADDRESS IS THE REEDUCATION FOR A LOT IN THE SYSTEM ITSELF.

BUT MAKING SURE THAT THERE ARE IMPACTS THAT ARE MEANINGFUL TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.

WHEN YOU TALK TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO SPEED CONSISTENTLY, FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE, THEY SAY SPEEDING IS NOT ILLEGAL BECAUSE ALL YOU GOT TO DO IS PAY A FEE TO DO T DO IT.

THEIR PERSPECTIVE, IT'S NOT A BIG IMPACT.

AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE PAYING $12 FOR SOMEBODY TO DRIVE TO McDONALD'S TO PICK UP A $3 SHAKE FOR THEM.

MONEY IS NOT A BIG THING FOR SOME PEOPLE.

GETTING REEDUCATING OR TAKING A TEST ONLINE EXTEND THAT IMPACT FOR PEOPLE AND MAKE THEM THINK, IS THIS WORTH IT?

IS IT WORTH FOR ME TO DO THIS ACTION AND HAVE THESE RAMIFICATIONS?

>> Lauren: HAS THERE BEEN THOUGHT TO HOW YOU WOULD ROLL OUT THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF TESTS?

>> YES.

LARGELY IF THEY SEE THESE THINGS PROPOSED TO BE HAPPENING, IN HRS OR ADMINISTRATIVE RULE, THEY ALWAYS ASK FOR A YEAR OR TWO FOR IMPLEMENTATION.

WHATEVER VERSION MAKES IT TO THE FINISH LINE, THERE WILL BE TIME FOR US TO GIVE ALL OUR COUNTY PARTNERS TO IMPLEMENT THIS.

THE STATE MAKES OVERARCHING LEGISLATION.

THEY'RE HANDLED AT THE COUNTY LEVEL.

BOTH OUR STATE AND COUNTY PARTNERS CAN I SEE US -- ENACTING DELAYED EFFECTIVE DAY.

>> Lauren: SAY SOMEONE HAS A SPEEDING PROBLEM.

WOULD THEIR TESTED BE SPEED RELATED OR COULD THERE BE HARD BALL QUESTIONS MAYBE WE HAVEN'T REVIEWED SINCE WE FIRST GOT OUR PERMIT THE AT 15?

>> IT WOULD BE TAILORED TOWARDS THE ACTION.

IT COULD ADD IN ADDITIONAL THINGS.

THERE SHOULD BE QUESTION ABOUT SPEEDING.

ADDRESSIVE DRIVING SHOULD BE IN THERE.

THERE'S OTHER PIECES THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED.

DEFINITELY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE SOME OF WHAT CALIFORNIA'S DOING IN THEIR AREA.

COOL THING ABOUT THEIR PROGRAM THAT WAS MENTIONED, THEY HAVE TWO AND TWO YEARS.

THEIR PER CAPITA FATALITIES ARE WAY HIGHER THAN HAWAI'I.

REDUCED BY TWO%.

SOMETHING'S WORKING THERE.

MAKE SURE WE WORK WITH THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE.

>> Lauren: DO YOU KNOW KNOW THE FAILED RATE?

>> I DON'T.

>> TWO IN TWO YEARS MAKES A LITTLE MORE ACCEPTS -- SENSE BECAUSE IT GETS TO THE RECENT BEHAVIOR.

MAYBE THEY WERE SCREWING UP FIVE YEARS AGO BUT NOW THEY'VE HAD A CLEAN RECORD FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS.

GOES BACK TO HOW WIDE OF A NET WE WANT TO CAST.

>> IF I CAN ADD, THERE IS PRESERVING LANGUAGE IN THE BILL THAT ALLOWS RAM DON DOM TESTING REQUIREMENT.

I WOULD SAY FROM DIRECTOR'S SNIFFEN'S PERSPECTIVE, THAT DRIVING IS A PRIVILEGE, NOT A RIGHT.

I UNDERSTAND TO THE POINT THAT POOR THING, PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICES HAS TO TAKE TOUGH POSITIONS.

THEY CAN CONTACT LEGAL AID.

WE, AS LEGISLATORS, WE OFTEN HAVE TO BEAR THE BRUNT.

I WOULD RATHER FAIL TRYING THAN NOT TRYING.

>> Lauren: WHAT DO YOU HEAR FROM YOUR CONSTITUENTS ON THIS TOPIC?

>> IT'S SO -- I THINK GOOD LEGISLATION WILL ALWAYS DRAW NO CONSENSUS.

THIS HAS DRAWN WIDESPREAD SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION FROM EVERYONE ACROSS THE BOARD.

I'M HAPPY PEOPLE PEOPLE ARE ENG.

TALK TO ANY ONE OF HE'D DEPUTIES, TRANSPORTATION IS 99% OF YOUR LIFE.

THEY WANT TO SEE US TRY TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

I KNOW THIS IS ONE PART OF IT.

ANOTHER PART WORKING TO A LOOPHOLE WITH DRIVER'S LICENSE VERIFICATION.

AND SAME WAY THERE'S AN INTERLOCK OR DUI UP ALL THE PUZZLE PEOPLES ARE TOGETHER.

>> Lauren: YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING 30 SECONDS AGO ABOUT RANDOM TESTING.

CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT PIECE?

I THINK THAT WILL RAISE A LOT OF FLAGS FOR PEOPLE.

>> THERE WOULD BE A MECHANISM FOR D.O.T.

TO INSTITUTE A PERFORMANCE, WHETHER IT COULD BE INSTITUTED RANDOMLY.

YOU STILL HAVE RETESTING FOR ANYBODY WHO WOULD GET A MOVING VIOLATION OR TRAFFIC CITATION.

AND D.O.T.

MAY ALSO DO RANDOM TESTING.

>> Lauren: WHAT DOWS WHAT DOES T MEAN?

HOW WOULD THAT WORK?

>> PUT IN REEDUCATION OR TESTING SPECIFICALLY FOR RISK AREAS.

THERE'S PEOPLE WHO GET CITATIONS.

OTHERS REPORTED TO HAVE AGGRESSIVE DRIVING IN DIFFERENT AREAS.

POLICE HAVE SEEM EVIDENCE, GO TO VISIT THEM TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND THESE ACTIONS ARE NOT CONDUCIVE TO SAFE DRIVING IN OUR COMMUNITY.

BUT THERE'S REPERCUSSIONS BEYOND.

THAT THIS IS ANOTHER TOOL TO MAKE SURE FOR THESE PEOPLE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE THEM A TICKET BUT THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS TO GET THEIR LICENSE.

>> Lauren: ONLY TESTING OR THEY MAY HAVE TO GO TO DRIVER'S ED?

>> JUST TESTING.

THERE'S SO MANY OTHER THINGS THAT GET PROPOSED.

THERE ARE OTHER STATE THAT HAVE INSTITUTION THE AGE REQUIREMENT.

HAWAI'I IS AT THAT POINT, WE'RE NOT EXPLORING THAT RIGHT NOW.

>> Lauren: KIM, EARLIER UNMENTIONING TRYING TO EASE THE BURDEN.

ARE THERE CONCERNS ABOUT PEOPLE USING THEIR PHONES AND GOOGLE TO GET THE ANSWER AND NOT KNOWING THE RULES OF THE ROAD?

>> FOR OUR CURRENT ONLINE PERMIT TESTING SYSTEM, THE SOFTWARE IS QUITE SOPHISTICATED WHERE YOU NEED TO BE LOOKING STRAIGHT AT THE MONITOR.

IT ACTUALLY TAKES PHOTOS OF YOU SO IT MAKES SURE THAT THE SAME PERSON COMPLETES THE TEST.

YOU CAN'T SWAP OUT FOR SOMEBODY ELSE AFTER YOU START.

ALSO, IF YOU'RE LOOKING DOWN OR LOOKING TO THE SIDE OR LOOKING AT YOUR PHONE OR TRY TO OPEN ANOTHER WOUND WINDOW AND SEARCH THINGS, IT WILL CATCH THAT, FLAG IT AND GIVE A WARNING.

IF THAT BEHAVIOR CONTINUES, IT WILL FAIL THE TEST.

WE'VE SEEM THAT HAPPEN, AND WE KNOW IT WORKS.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RESULTS OF THE ONLINE TESTING, IT IS VERY SIMILAR AND COMPARABLE TO IN OFFICE TESTING IN TERMS OF PASS-FAIL RATES.

WE KNOW IT'S NOT EASIER THAN TAKING A TEST IN THE OFFICE WHERE YOUR MONITORED BY A PERSON.

>> Lauren: WHAT IS THE PASS RATE?

>> ON AVERAGE, IT'S ABOUT 60% PASS, AND 40% FAIL.

ROUGHLY.

IT VARIES MONTH TO MONTH, WHEN WE GET THE REPORTS.

THAT IS ALSO SIMILAR TO WHAT THE MAINLAND RATES ARE.

AND SO WE KNOW THAT HAWAI'I IS NOT FAR OFF FROM THAT.

>> Lauren: TO CLARIFY, THE WEBCAM, EVEN IF YOU'RE TAKING IT IN YOUR KITCHEN, YOU GET ONE WARNING IF YOU LOOK AWAY.

OR YOU TRY TO OPEN CHATGPT, FOR EXAMPLE.

>> I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S JUST ONE WARNING.

IT DEPENDS ON WHAT IT IS, THE BEHAVIOR IS.

PART OF WHAT THIS SYSTEM DOES, IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE TAKEN THE TEST ONCE, THEY KNOW IF I DO THIS, NEXT TIME I'LL PASS.

SO IT ACTUALLY HELPS US ENSURE THAT THERE'S LESS CHEATING.

WE REALIZE THAT IT'S NOT FOOLPROOF.

>> IF I CAN SPEAK TO THE EFFICACY OF OUR EARLY DRIVE'S PROGRAM.

NO LONGER AGE ABLE TO PROVIDE IT ONLINE.

>> Lauren: DIFFERENT WORLD.

I HAD TO TAKE MY DRIVER'S LICENSE TEST.

LET'S GET TO SOME VIEWER QUESTIONS.

THIS VIEWER IS ASKING, ANYONE WHO HASN'T ANSWERED CAN CHIME IN.

HOW DOES THE RENEWAL PROPOSAL AFFECT NEWLY LICENSED TEEN DRIVERS OR ARE TEEN DRIVE, COVERED BY EXISTING LAWS?

>> IF YOU'RE UNDER 18, YOU HAVE TO DO CLASSROOM AS WELL AS BEHIND THE WHEEL TRAINING.

YOU HAVE TO BRING THOSE CERTIFICATE WITH YOU.

UP TO AGE 24.

THAT WAY IT ACTUALLY ENABLES AND EVEN SAFER ENVIRONMENT BECAUSE WHAT HAS BEEN SHOWN IS THAT THE YOUNGER DRIVERS ARE JUST NOT AS EXPERIENCES OR SKILLED IN DEALING WITH SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE TO APPLY A LOT OF JUDGMENT.

IT'S THE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE HUMAN BRAIN.

THAT PROGRAM HAS DONE FULLY WELL, AND WE FULLY SUPPORT THAT PROGRAM.

IT IS AN VESSEL INVESTMENT FOR FAMILIES.

BOTH MY KIDS KEPT WENT THROUGH .

THEY TOOK IT A LOT MORE SERIOUSLY.

IT WAS LIKE A CLASS, LIKE BEING IN SCHOOL.

AND I THINK THAT REALLY HELPS.

IF WE APPLY THAT KIND OF STRUCTURED RIGOR TO A PROCESS, IT SHOULD HELP TO RESULT IN BETTER DRIVERS.

>> THAT'S WHY I WAS SO PROUD WHEN I GOT MY VERTICAL DONE.

[LAUGHTER] >> Lauren: TOOK A LOT OF WORK.

A LOT OF STRESS ACTUALLY AS A TEENAGER.

JUDY IN HAWAI'I KAI IS ASKING, WHAT EVIDENCE IS THERE THAT THIS RETESTING PROPOSAL WILL DO ANY GOOD?

TO ANTOINETTE'S POINT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES TO GET AN APPOINTMENT JUST FOR A RENEWAL.

>> JUST BRINGING UP CALIFORNIA AND ILLINOIS, THEIR PROGRAMS ARE WORKING RIGHT NOW.

THEY'RE SHOWING REDUCTIONS IN THEIR FATALITY RATES.

OURS ARE SHOWING INCREASESSITE NOW.

LAST YEAR WE ARE 128 DIE.

WE'RE GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.

MOVE TOWARDS SOMETHING THAT'S WORKING IS A GOOD THING.

WE KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET IT RIGHT THIS YEAR.

MAKE SURE WE HAVE TIME TO MAKE SURE WE WORK THE PROGRAM.

ONCE WE PUT IT IN PLACE, IT'S THE BEST IT CAN BE.

>> IS THAT PER CAPITA NUMBERS?

FOR HERE IT'S 129 LAST YEAR.

THAT'S NOT PER CAPITA.

>> THAT'S TOTAL.

128 TOTAL FOR US.

CALIFORNIA'S 4,000.

40% REDUCTION IN FATALITIES OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS.

AND THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THEY'RE PUTTING IN PLACE.

>> Lauren: THERE ARE SO MANY MORE CARS ON THE ROAD.

MAYBE SO MANY MORE PEOPLE.

>> FROM OTHER OPTIONS WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON IS MAKE MORE PEOPLE IN TRANSIT.

WE'RE PUSHING THE FREE KEIKI BILL.

MAKE SURE PEOPLE DON'T JUMP INTO A CAR.

GET THEM INVOLVED IN TRANSIT EARLY.

TRY TO MINIMIZE THINGS.

>> THEY'RE TRYING.

>> Lauren: I HAD A QUESTION, SUCCESS WE TALKED -- SOMETHING E TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.

RANDOM TESTING.

IF THIS BILL PASSES, YOU HAVE TWO I THINK FRANK OR MORE AS THE NOW YOU HAVE TO RETAKE THE TEST?

>> PROPOSED.

>> Lauren: RIGHT.

DOES -- WOULD THAT MEAN THE RANDOM TESTING WOULD GO INTO EFFECT?

>> IN TANDEM.

TO THAT SAME POINT, ED FOLKS WOULD HAVE TO JUSTIFY AND MAKE VERY TRANSPARENT HOW THE RANDOM TESTING GOES?

WE CANNOT OVERLOOK THE SYSTEM.

TO THAT POINT OF ASKING ABOUT EVIDENCE, IN THE WAY THERE'S NO EVIDENCE IN INCREASING PENALTY, WE'RE TRYING TO BE RESPONSIVE TO PEOPLE, LEGISLATURE.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TASKED TO DO.

>> PART OF THE DISCUSSION IS MAKE SURE THERE'S AN U AUDIT PROCESS.

I NO LIKE DARIUS.

MAKE HIM RETEST EVERY TIME.

>> ONCE YOU COMMITTED TWO OR MORE INFRACTIONS, YOU ENTER THE RANDOM TESTING POOL?

OR PEOPLE CALLED IN RANDOMLY FOR TESTING?

>> AT THIS TIME, ANYBODY CAN CALLED IN.

>> Lauren: WOULD THAT MAKE IT HARDER IN TERMS OF THE TEST?

YOU COULD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS VERSUS SOMEONE WHO HAD SPEEDING VIOLATION?

>> IT MIGHT BE MORE DIFFICULT.

IN GENERAL, I KNOW I'VE NOT TAKEN A DRIVER'S TEST SINCE I HAD TO TAKE IT.

I NEED A REFRESHER TO ENSURE I KNOW THE RULES OF THE ROAD.

TO ME, I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD THINKING THING THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO TAKE A REFRESHER.

>> HRS 291C, SEE HOW MUCH LAWS WE HAVE IN THE BOOKS.

THAT'S WHAT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS TO BE VERSED WELL?

>> Lauren: ARE THERE OTHER WAYS TO GET PRACTICE 92S TESTS O START PREPARING?

>> YOU CAN FIND A LOT ONLINE.

ON YouTube, YOU CAN FIND VIDEOS OF ROUTES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE HAVE DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OF THE 92.

TEST.

EVEN IF SOMEONE WAS TRYING TO SOMEHOW DOCUMENT AND RECORD THE QUESTIONS OR ROUTE, THAT THERE WOULD BE MULTIPLE OPTIONS.

YOU MAY NOT GET THE ONE THAT YOU'RE STUDYING.

THAT'S A WAY TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM ACTUALLY NOT UNDER AING THE MATERIAL AND RULES BUT STILL PASSING THE TEST.

THERE HAS TO BE THIS OVERALL UNDERSTANDING AND ABILITY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF GENERAL QUESTIONS FROM MANY DIFFERENT CATEGORIES FOR A TEST.

BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT IF IT IS INFRACTIONS IN A SPECIFIC AREA, THEN MAYBE THERE'S EMPHASIS IN THAT CATEGORY BUT STILL INCLUDE A BROADER SUBSET.

>> Lauren: THIS IS NOT A QUESTION BUT A COMMENT FROM GREG, IN KAKAAKO.

I THINK I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE ON THIS.

HE SAY A WRITTEN TEST IS NOT THE ARGUES.

THE PROBLEM HAPPENS ON THE ROAD AFTER THE DRIVING TEST.

I GOT A TICKET EARLIER IN MY CAREER FOR MISTAKE I MADE.

HIS TO GO TO COURT.

A JUDGE MADE ME GO TO DEFENSIVE DRIVING CLASS.

BEST THING THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED TO ME.

>> WELL, I THINK THAT IS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT MY OFFICE HAD IN TERMS OF IS WRITTEN TEST GOING TO A LOT OF THIS IS RISK TAKING BEHAVIOR.

SOMEONE COULD ARGUES THE ANSWERT QUESTIONS ON PAPER AND GOING ON THE ROAD AND DO WHATEVER THEY FEEL LIKE.

I THINK THAT IS A CONCERN, BUT I'LL LET THE THE REST OF THE PAL TALK -- PANEL TALK ABOUT THEIR OPINIONS.

>> WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING, AND EVERYTHING SHOULD BE UP FOR DISCUSS.

WHEN I FIRST STARTED DRIVING AS A YOUNG PERSON, I SUFFERED FROM SERIE ROAD RAGE.

I SEE THIS MORE OFTENTIMES THAN NOT M IN MY COMMUNITY.

ON THAT SAME POINT, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING THE DISCUSSION REQUESTING FOR A STATE HIGHWAY POLICE.

OUR COUNTY LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN THE NO BE EVERYWHERE AND DO EVERYTHING AT THE SAME TIME.

>> I WOULD SAY PHYSICAL REEDUCATION IS ALWAYS A GOOD THING.

WE'RE TRYING TO MAYBE SURE THAT THERE'S ANOTHER STEP RIGHT NOW.

JUST THINKING ABOUT OR STUDYING TO BE A SAFE DRIVER.

TO PROVE IT ON A TEST IS BETTER THAN NOTHING RIGHT NOW.

IF WE SEND EVERYBODY BACK TO DEFENSIVE DRIVING SCHOOL, WE WILL DEFINITELY OVERLOAD THE SYSTEM.

IF I COULD HAVE THE RANDOM ABILITY TO SEND PEOPLE TO DEFENSIVE SCHOOL, I WOULD DO IT.

IT'S A REALLY GOOD THING FOR EVERYBODY.

TIME IS THE BIGGEST IMPACT.

IF THE FINE IS NOT GOING TO MOVE SOMEBODY, HAVING TO SPEND SIX HOURS AT A DEFENSIVE DRIVING SCHOOL IS A REALLY GOOD WAY TO MAKE SURE SOMEONE DOESN'T GO 30 MILES AN HOUR OVER THE SPEED LIMIT.

>> Lauren: PEOPLE HAVE TO DO A DRIVER'S LICENSE COURSE.

PEOPLE WHO ARE EXTREMELY SPEEDING, GOING 30 OR MORE OVER THE SPEED LIMIT.

THAN YOU ARE GOING TO DO GET AN SPEEDING TICKET.

NOT JUST AN INFRACTION.

THAT'S A TRAFFIC CRIME.

YOU GET MY OFFICE TO REPRESENT YOU.

>> I WOULD LOVE TO DO IT AT 15.

IF SOMEBODY GOES 15 MILES OVER THE SPEED LIMIT, PUT THEM IN DEFENSIVE DRIVING CLASS.

THAT'S NOT IN THE BILL NOW.

[LAUGHTER] THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO CONSIDER.

WHAT CAN WE DO TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE CAN LEARN FROM THE EXPERIENCE, BUT BE DISINCENTIVIZE TO DO IT AGAIN.

>> I WANT THE VIEWERS TO UNDERSTAND RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DRIVER'S LICENSE AS IT RELATES.

THERE ARE OTHER MEASURES THAT CAN WORK IN TAP TANDEM.

>> Lauren: ANTOINETTE, BACK TO WHAT GREG SAID, CASE BY CASE.

A JUDGE COULD STILL ORDER SOMEONE TO GO TO DEFENSIVE DRIVING CLASS.

>> FOR AN EXCESSIVE SPEEDING CHARGE THE NOT FOR A REGULAR SPEEDING TICKET AS FAR AS I'M AWARE.

>> Lauren: ERIC IN KAILUA IS ASKING, SEEMS THERE MAY BE OTHER WAYS TO FORCING DRIVERS TO TAKE A TEST THEY PREVIOUSLY PASSED.

IS THIS THE ONLY REMEDY IN WORKS?

>> NO.

LAST YEAR THE LEGISLATURE PASSED A BILL.

JUDGE CAN ORDER FORFEITURE OF YOUR VEHICLE.

WE'RE TRYING TO INCREASE THE PENALTY.

ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE TRYING TO BE PLAYED OUT.

I DON'T WANT TO JUST TARGET LICENSING.

WE'RE WELL AWARE THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO COMMIT TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS.

WE TRY TO PUT HEAT ON IT'S ON TT END COMMITTEE TO GIVE US A MORE -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY EQUITABLE BUT PLAYING FIELD.

>> OVER ALL, THE BIGGEST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THERE'S MUCH ENFORCEMENT AS POSSIBLE -67S THIS YEAR WE HAVE 20 FATALITIES SO FAR.

LAST YEAR THIS TIME 35.

DIFFERENCE IS THE AMOUNT OF ENFORCEMENT YOU SEE ON THE SYSTEM.

I CHALLENGE ANYBODY TO DRIVE NOW AND NOT SEE A POLICE OFFICER.

WE HAVE MORE SHERIFFS ENSURING THAT THEY ENFORCE TRAFFIC RULES.

AND EVERYBODY DRIVES BETTER.

IN THE ABSENCE OF ENFORCEMENT, WE GOT TO POLICE EVERYONE.

YOUYOU SEE A LOT MORE SPEED HUMO ENSURE WE CAN MINIMIZE PEOPLE TO SPEED.

EBB FORCEMENT IS THE BIGGEST PIECE.

SPEED CAMS ARE SUCH A BIG THINK FOR THING FOR US.

>> Lauren: I WANT TO GET TO SOME VIEWER QUESTIONS.

ASKING ABOUT LOGISTICALLY HAVING TO TAKE THE TEST.

HOW MANY TIMES CAN ANYONE TAKE THE TEST?

DO THEY GET AN UNLIMITS NUMBER OF STRIKE OR IS THERE A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF TIMES THEY CAN FAIL?

>> THIS GOES FOR THE WRITTEN TEST, ROAD TEST, THERE'S NO LIMIT.

YOU CAN CAN REPEAT THE TEST.

ESPECIALLY FOR THE ROAD TEST, BECAUSE THE EXAMINER IS EVALUATING THE APPLICANT'S DRIVING HABITS AND BEHAVIOR BEHIND THE WHEEL, WE WILL DETERMINE HOW LONG THEY HAVE TO WAIT TO RETAKE.

AS SHORT AS A WEEK.

COULD BE LONGER DEPENG ON THE SEVERITY.

THAT SENDS A MESSAGE WHAT THEY HAVE TO WORK ON.

WHAT WE DO IS SCORE SHEET IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHARE VERY OPENLY IN TERMS OF WHAT DRIVERS FAILED.

SECTIONS, WHAT TYPES OF MANEUVERERS THEY HAVE TO PRACTICE.

OUR EXAMINERS HAVE A DIAGRAM ON THE BACK THAT THEY CAN DRAW AND REMIND THE APPLICANT WHAT HAPPENED.

WE WELCOME APPLICANTS TO TAKE PICTURES OF THOSE SCORE SHEETS OR ASK FOR A COPY BEFORE THEY LEAVE.

THE POINT IS WE WANT THIS EM TO PRACTICE, AND WE WANT THEM TO COME BACK MORE READY TO PASS THE TEST.

I WANTED TO TOUCH UPON WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.

IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THERE BE DIVERSEDY IN THE APPROACH TO THIS PROBLEM.

THAT IT'S NOT JUST ONE THING.

IT IS ENFORCEMENT, IT IS TESTING, IT IS RIGOR IN THE OVERALL PROGRAM.

BUT THAT'S HOW YOU ADDRESS, I THINK, DIFFERENT BEHAVIORS.

THEY'RE MOTIVATED BY DIFFERENT THINGS.

SOME PEOPLE MAY OR MAY NOT BE MOTIVATED BY THE FINES.

>> Lauren: YOU'RE THINKING YOU WOULD HAVE TO APPLY THE SOME POLICY.

WAIT A WEEK BEFORE YOU FAIL?

>> THERE WOULD NEED TO BE SOMETHING IN D.O.T.

'S RULES.

WHAT WOULD BE THE TIME PERIOD?

IN GENERAL FOR ROAD TEST IT'S A WEEK.

FOR THE ONLINE PERMIT TEST, THERE'S NO TIME REQUIREMENT.

YOU COULD TAKE IT RIGHT AWAY AGAIN.

THERE IS A FEE OR TIME.

IF YOU COME INTO OUR OFFICE.

THOSE THINGS MATTER.

GETTING AN APPOINTMENT.

WE TRY HARD TO MINIMIZE WAIT TIME.

WE OFFERS SATURDAY SERVICE.

TRYING TO MAKE THE EXPERIENCE A LOT MORE POSITIVE.

WE ALSO OFFER NEXT DAY APPOINTMENTS AND PROMOTE OUGHT OF THIS INFORMATION ON OUR WEBSITE, OUR SOCIAL MEDIA.

WE'RE TRYING VERY HARD TO PROVIDE INFORMATION MORE EASILY.

>> Lauren: ED, MAYBE YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT.

IN THE RANDOM TESTING SCENARIO, IS THERE A TIME FRAME DURING THE TEST WHICH IT MUST BE TAKEN?

MOST OF US HAVE TO TAKE VACATION.

HOW CAN THIS WORK?

>> WE GOT TO WORK OUT THOSE RULES THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.

MAKE SURE WE WORK WITH CALIFORNIA AND SEE HOW THEY SET THEIR THINGS UP.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT HAPPENS QUICK I WILL.

ON THE RANDOM IDENTIFICATION TIME, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF WD SET UP A TIME FRAME.

>> Lauren: WOULD YOU KNOW A YEAR BEFORE?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

WE WOULD DESIGNATE PRIOR TO.

SO PEOPLE HAVING ENOUGH TIME TO SCHEDULE THEIR A POINTMENTS.

WE WERE GOING TO USE KIM'S GROUP.

IT'S REALLY GOOD NOW.

EASIER TO GET APPOINTMENTS.

IT'S NOT AS ARDUOUS.

ESPECIALLY BECAUSE YOU CAN GO ONLINE.

>> Lauren: WILL THE BILL REACH ELDERLY KUPUNA?

I'VE SEEN THEM DO CRAZY THINGS.

>> AS THE NOW THE STATE OF HAWAI'I WE HAVE NOT PROPOSED AN AGE TESTING.

OTHER STATE LOOKED AT TRYING TO UP STUT TO -- INSTITUTE THAT.

THERE ARE PROBABLY WELL SKILLED DRIVERS WHO ARE OLD AND TERRIBLE YOUNG DRIVING DRIVERS.

>> Lauren: FAIR.

ANTOINETTE, SOMETHING YOU TOUCHED ON, MAYBE YOU CAN EXPAND.

MARK IS SAYING, I HAVE HIGH RESPECT FOR EVERYONE ON THE PANEL.

WE SHOULD LISTEN TO THE ATTORNEY.

IT'S EXPENSIVE TO LIVE IN HAWAI'I.

NOBODY WANTS TO GO TO DMV TO RENEW THEIR LICENSE.

CALLER IS SAYING, RANDOM TESTING SEEMS AUTHORITARIAN.

THERE'S SO MUCH STRESS AND CHAOS, I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC NEEDED ADDITIONAL STRESS OF RANDOM TESTS.

>> WHENEVER GOVERNMENT ENTITY SAYS WE'RE GOING TO RANDOMLY BE PICKING OUT PEOPLE, RIGHTLY, ALARGE BELLS ALARM BELLS WILL GO OFF IN PEOPLE'S HEAD.

THE IDEA OF A BLANK CHECK FOR RANDOM TESTING REGARDLESS OF IF YOU HAVE ANY NEGATIVE DRIVING HISTORY, I CAN SEE WHY THAT CONCERNS PEOPLE.

A LOT OF THESE CASES ARE NEVER GOING TO HIT MY OFFICE BECAUSE IF IT'S AN INFRACTIONS, THEY NEVER END UP WITH US.

EVEN AS AN ATTORNEY IN HAWAI'I, AND I'M MARRIED TO ANOTHER ATTORNEY, SPOILER ALERT.

IT'S HARD TO MAKE ENDS MEET TO PAY YOUR RENT, PAY YOUR MORTGAGE AND DO OTHER THINGS.

MAYBE SOME PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO DOOR DASH FOR THE $3 MILKSHAKE.

TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THAT EXTRA $20 TO PAY RE7B9.

THEY'RE STRESSED OUT GETTING THEIR KIDS AND RAISING THEM RIGHT AND WORKING TWO, THREE JOBS AND MAKING SURE THEY DON'T END UP HOMELESS, DO YOU WANT TO ADD YOU HAVE TO RANCH RANDOMLY E THIS TEST?

THAT IS A REASONABLE CONCERN FORM THE PUBLIC.

I DO LIKE THE IDEA THAT AT LEAST IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GOING TO WAIT UNTIL YOU RENEWAL.

IT WOULD DEFINITELY BRE BE A CON IF YOU DIDN'T RESPOND WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.

MAIL GETS LOST.

IT'S NOT A PERFECT SYSTEM.

IT WOULD BE VERY INFORTUNATELY IF PEOPLE WERE TO GET THEIR LICENSE YANKED.

>> Lauren: YOU WANT TO CHIME IN?

>> WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT THE COST OF LIVING, THERE'S ANOTHER BILL THAT CAPS THE VEHICLE WATER TAX.

FOR THAT SAME PURPOSE, WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE EVERYTHING.

I DON'T WANT US TO GET FIXATED ON THIS MEASURE.

90% OF FOLKS WHO FOLLOWED LAW ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE 10 % OF ACCIDENTS WE SEE.

WHEN WE HAVE TO TALK TO OUR CONSTITUENTS, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT WE WALKED AWAY WITH SOMETHING PALATABLE.

THAT IS WHY WE WANT TO DO THE LATE DEFECTIVE DATES OR -- MOST BILLS ARE IN THEIR LAST COMMITTEES BEFORE CONSIDERATION IN THE CONFERENCE PERIOD.

WE STILL HAVE TIME TO GET TO A FINAL PRODUCT.

>> WE GOT TO GO THROUGH OUR RULE-MAKING PROCESS.

SET YOU HAVE JUSTIFIESES FOR THAT RANDOM TESTING.

FOR THOSE THAT ARE REQUIRED TO DO IT, I'M NOT GOING TO FEEL BAD.

WE'RE NOT HITTING ANYBODY FINANCIALLY THAT SHOULDN'T BE.

IF YOU GET TWO CITATIONS IN THAT PERIOD, THE LAST TICKET I HAD WAS IN 2010 SO I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT BEING ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO DO THIS TESTING.

I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT DIFFICULT NOT TO GET TWO CITATIONS IN A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD TO BE REQUIRED TO DO THIS.

YOU GOT TO TRY IF YOU'RE DRIVING 30 MILES PER HOUR IN EXCESS OF THE SPEED LIMIT.

YOU GOT TO TRY TO DO STUFF LIKE THAT.

YOU GOT TO TRY TO BREAK THE LAW TWICE IN THAT PERIOD AND GET CITATIONS THAT WOULD REQUIRE YOU TO DO SOMETHING.

I'M NOT TOO WORRIED ABOUT THE MANT MANDATORIES.

I'M COGNIZANT FOR THE POTENTIAL FOR THE RANDOM TESTING TO BE A CONCERN.

ESPECIALLY AFTER I LEAVE THIS OFFICE.

FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE WE -- >> THAT'S TO THE POINT WHERE I WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT THE TRAFFIC LIGHT SAFETY PROGRAM.

TICKETS WOULD NOT COUNT.

THAT WOULD NOT BE A DEMERIT.

>> Lauren: LISA IS ASKING, WHY DON'T YOU INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF FINES?

MAYBE YOU WANT TO CHIME IN ON THAT?

>> THOSE WERE DISCUSSIONS BEFORE, TRIPPLING FINES IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE NATIONWIDE, IT DOESN'T WORK.

DON'T WORK.

ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU START HITTING PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD IT.

YOU START HAVING PEOPLE DECIDE WHETHER THEY PAY RENT.

WE THINK THE FINES SHOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE ACTION, AND I THINK INCREASE IT'S INCREASES.

>> WE HAVE A 51 MEMBER HOW CHAMBER.

WE WOULD FINE EVERYBODY BUT THANKS NOT WHERE WE'RE AT.

WE'VE HAD TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT HRS, AMEND IT.

PROPOSED LEGISLATION RIGHTS IT HRS, NONREGISTERED LICENSE PLATE.

WE HOPE THAT ENCOURAGES EVERYONE TO ABIDE BY THE LAW.

>> Lauren: WHAT HAPPENS TO TOURISTS, MILITARY AND THOUGH MOVING TO THE EYIZE?

EYE SIGH I?

>> WE CAN PUT BLOCKERS FOR HAWAI'I STATE LICENSE BUT THIS IS NOT JUST A HAWAI'I PROBLEM.

THERE WHERE SYSTEMS IN PLACE FOR THAT TO OCCUR.

MORE SO, WHEN YOU'RE A RESIDENT OF HAWAI'I, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LICENSED FOR THAT REASON.

>> Lauren: KIM, I THINK THIS QUESTION IS FOR YOU.

ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE AVAILABLE OR SELL THE OLD HAWAI'I DRIVER'S LICENSE MANUALS LIKE THEY DID IN THE OLD DAYS?

HOW DO WE GET A COPY OF THE NEW RULES?

I'M ASSUMING THIS PERSON WANT A PHYSICAL COPY AND IS NOT ABLE TO FIND IT ONLINE.

>> RIGHT NOW FOR THE PERMIT TEST, BOOK LOOKS ALMOST THE SAME M AVAILABLE WHY YOU CAN PURCHASE IT.

IT IS ALSO AVAILABLE ONLINE.

PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO THE INFORMATION.

I IMAGINE IT WOULD BE SIMILAR.

THERE WOULD BE A PHYSICAL BOOK.

SOME PEOPLE REALLY LIKE THAT AND NEED THAT TO STUDY.

BUT OTHERS CAN ACCESS IT ONLINE.

>> CLARIFY WHAT IS OLD DAYS?

[LAUGHTER] TO THAT POINT, IF ANYBODY CAN BINGE WATCH "HEATED RIVALRY," THERE ARE NO LONGER THE SAME OBSTACLES THAT MY PARENT'S AGE.

IN THE PRIOR DISCUSSION, EVERYONE HAS ACCESS TO THE INTERNET.

>> Lauren: VERONICA WANTS TO KNOW HOW PREPARED IS THE CITY AND COUNTY IF THIS BILL PASSES OR ARE OFFICIALS HOPING IT WON'T PASS?

>> AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE SUPPORT THE INTENT.

WE WANT TO REDUCE SERIOUS TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS THAT RESULT IN INJURY OR DEATH.

WE WANT TO BALANCE THAT WITH WHAT IS GOING TO BE FEASIBLE TO IMPLEMENT, AND SO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO, WE NEED ENOUGH TIME TO ENSURE THAT OUR SYSTEM CAN BE IN PLACE SO WITH D.O.T.

'S RULES, WE WOULD NEED A SYSTEM.

AND WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE ACCESS TO INFORMATION, AND BE ABLE TO GENERATE THE STOPPERS THAT WOULD APPEAR IF SOMEONE MET THE CRITERIA AND NEED TO RETEST.

ALL OF THAT TAKES TIME.

IT DOES TAKE FUNDING AND RESOURCES.

WE WANT TO MAKING SURE THE CITY IS ABLE TO IMPLEMENT IN A TIMELY MANNER BUT ALSO RESPONSIBLY.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO LIVE TOO EARLY.

WE NEED ADEQUATE TIME TO ENSURE THE SYSTEM IS GOING TO WORK.

I HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT THE CITY WOULD BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THIS CITY AND COUNTY OF HONOLULU TENDS TO BE THE LEAD.

OUR I.T.

SHOP USUALLY CONFIGURING AND IMPLEMENTING SYSTEMS, AND THE OTHER COUNTIES WILL CONNECT TO OUR SYSTEM.

I IMAGINE IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING SIMILAR LIKE THAT.

BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE TIME.

I APPRECIATE -- I KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN WATCHING THE EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> KIM FOLKS, I GOT TO GIVE THEM CREDIT.

THEY'VE TRYING TO MODERNIZE IT.

D.O.T.

IS WILLING TO WORK WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

KIM PROBABLY CAN'T BE IN THE POSITION TO TALK ABOUT THAT 69 SHE HAS TO FOLLOW THE DIRECTION OF THE HONOLULU CITY AND COUNTY AND MAYOR'S OFFICE, BUT THIS IS WHERE I ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC.

IF THERE ARE FOLKS WATCHING.

IT IS THE BEST TIME TO TALK TO THEIR LAWMAKER, E-MAILER PHONE.

>> Lauren: GREG IN KAKAAKO BRINGS UP A FAIR POINT.

WILL FAIRLY LURE FAILURE MEAN ME DRIVING WITHOUT A LICENSE?

>> WELL, IT IS POSSIBILITY BUT IT COULD RAIN TOMORROW.

I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS IS HOW DO WE GET AWAY FROM A SET SOCIETY SO DRIVEN ON VEHICLES?

AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL AND STATE LEVEL, WE'RE TRYING TO EXPAND TRANSPORTATION.

YOU SEE THE CITY AND COUNTY IN THE HONOLULU INSTALL BIKE LANES.

WE CANNOT BE SO RELIANT ON OUR CARS TO GET TO OUR FINAL DESTINATIONS.

>> NATURALLY IT DOESN'T SHOW THAT.

PUTTING REQUIREMENTS DOESN'T INCREASE THE NUMBER WHO DRIVE WITHOUT A LICENSE.

WHAT'S BEING SHOWN IS PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO DRIVE WITHOUT A LICENSE WOULD ANYWAY REGARDLESS OF THE PIECES IN PLACE.

I DON'T EXPECT TO SEE AN INCREASE SHOULD THIS BILL PAST.

>> Lauren: I WANT TO CLARIFY FOR OUR VIEWERS.

KUPUNA WANTS TO KNOW SHE IS IN HILO AND UP FOR RENEWAL IN JUNE.

SHE WANTS TO KNOW HOW THIS BILL MAY AFFECT US?

WHERE THINGS ARE AT?

>> THERE ARE EFFECTIVE DATES.

I THINK WHATEVER THE LEGISLATURE AND MY COLLEAGUES, WE WE HAVE TO GIVE COUNTIES TIME.

I CAN'T SAY 99.9% SHE WILL NOT HAVE THIS INSTITUTED BY THEN.

>> Lauren: SECOND ONE.

>> SHE'S SOLID FOR NOW.

>> IT'S GOING TO TAKE AT LEAST SIX MONTHS TO TO GET THROUGH THE PROCESS.

>> Lauren: MIKE FROM PLA CAN I CAN I IS SAYING AND ASKING, DRIVER IN THE 2020 CRASH THAT KILLED THE McKINLEY SCHOOL STUDENT IS GOING TO JAIL.

HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU HAVE TO TO GET ARRESTED BEFORE YOU'RE SENT TO JAIL?

HOPING THE PANEL CAN TOUCH ON THE ISSUE OF THEE BAD APPLES ON OUR ROADS IN HAWAI'I.

AND HOW YOU WANT TO SEE THAT ADDRESSED?

>> I LOVE OUR JUDICIARY BUT I HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT SOMETIMES, WHETHER IT'S POLITICALLY POPULAR HAS PUT US IN THIS SITUATION.

HER NAME IS SARA.

INCREASED PENALTY FOR THOSE FOLKS.

WE TRIED TO COME BACK TO THE TABLE.

THERE HAS TO BE A FINAL STRAW SITUATION.

IT'S A GOOD STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION OF TRYING TO LOOK AT VEHICLES ON THE ROAD AND TAKING THEM OFF, -- THERE'S A BILL BEFORE US AT THE LEGISLATURE, SHOULD SOMEBODY BE PULLED OVER AT DUI, THEIR VEHICLE HAS TO BISM TO IMPOUNDED.

DRIVER'S LICENSE IS ONE PART OF THIS PROBLEM.

>> Lauren: GOSH, I THINK I FORGOT WHAT THE QUESTION WAS.

>> HOW MANY TIMES YOU HAVE TO GET ARRESTED BEFORE IT'S REVOKES OF THE 3 MINUTES LEFT.

YOUR MANCHE MESSAGE ABOUT HOW DE ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM?

BAD APPLES ARE KILLING OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

>> UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH OF HUME BEHAVIOR THIS WE CAN CONTROL THROUGH CRIMINAL LAWS.

SO THE TRAGEDY OF WHAT HAPPENED TO SARA YARA, MY OFFICE'S POSITIONS IS NOT THAT IT WAS BECAUSE THIS GUY WAS DRIVING WITHOUT A LICENSE.

IT WAS THE OTHER RISKY BEHAVIORERS -- INFRACTION HE WAS GETTING ON THE ROAD.

NOW, YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE VOLUME OF CASES WE HAVE IN COURT.

THE TRAFFIC CITATIONS GETTING ISSUED EVERY DAY.

IT'S NUMBER OF DEPUTIES, BOTH FROM THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE AND PULL PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE.

YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF PERDY URGE JUDGES OF THE BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THE JUDICIARY.

SPEED BUMPS CAN CHANGE PEOPLE'S BEHAVIOR.

YOU GET TO 9 TO THE POINT, WE NW HAVE PEOPLE CHARGED WITH FELONY, DRIVING WITHOUT A LICENSE.

SAME AS ASSAULT IN THE SECOND DEGREE.

WHAT MESSAGES ARE WE SENDING WHEN WE MAKE THESE ACTS EQUIFF EQUIVALENT.

>> Lauren: 30 SECONDS FOR BOTH OF YOU.

>> I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE CITY AND COUNTY OF HONOLULU IS GOING TO DO ITS BEST TO IMPLEMENT WHAT POLICYMAKERS ESTABLISH AND D.O.T.

ESTABLISHES.

WE WILL DO OUR BEST AS FAR AS EFFICIENCY AND CONVENIENCE.

WE ARE PART OF ENSURING THAT IT'S PROCESS MAKES DRIVING SAFER.

>> WE'LL WORK WITH EVERYBODY.

PARTICIPATE UP TO SAVE LIVES.

IF PEOPLE CANNOT FOM THE LAW, MORE SPEED HUMS COMING.

>> MORE ALOHA ON THE ROAD.

>> Lauren: YES.

THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE YOUR ALL TAKING THE TIME TO BE HERE.

WE WANT TO THANK OUR VIEWER.

OUR GUESTS: REPRESENTATIVE DARIUS KILA AND STATE TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR ED SNIFFEN AND CITY CUSTOMER SERVICES DIRECTOR KIM HASHIRO.

NO INSIGHTS NEXT WEEK BUT PLEASE CHECK BACK WITH US ON APRIL 16 WHEN WE WILL DISCUSS COMPENSATING COLLEGE ATHLETES.

IT HAS BECOME THE NORM ACROSS THE COUNTRY BUT SHOULD HAWAI'I FOLLOW THE LEAD OF OTHER STATE SCHOOLS AND USE PUBLIC MONEY TO PAY THEM?

I'M LAUREN DAY FOR INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI'I, ALOHA!